Trans folxxxxxxx frequently talk about abolishing all gender roles, stereotypes, binary, etc. If that happened wouldn't the notion of transgender effectively be meaningless?

submitted by 1st_Class_Mail_Ally from (self.SuperStraight)

So boys like blue, girls like pink, yada yada. You know the gender stereotypes. If instead of that, and every child was raised 100% gender neutral, that would mean there'd be no reference point for a MTF or FTM to even experience dysphoria in the first place. For example you hear MTFs (aka Trans Identifying Males TIMs) say they would observe the habits/mannerisms of other women and girls, and realized they should have been born "like them" and they always "felt girly" deep down. But the trans crowd always talk about "challenging the binary" or whatever, so in the future if every girl isn't really a girl, they're just a "young vagina-haver" (sorry typing that term was cringe but that's their way of saying it) with their own individualized identities and mannerisms - how could you possibly be trans without that other identity to latch onto? Or is even asking this question transphobic? Sorry I am trying SUPER hard to be a #BetterAlly

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[–]JulienMayfair 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Congratulations. You're picking up on all the many logical contradictions within gender ideology, one of them being the question of how you have gender identity without pre-existing gender stereotypes.

Also, there is growing tension between the binary trans (trans women are 100% women!) and the non-binary who are on the "gender spectrum" or who say they feel like a man one day and a woman another. If you start picking apart those identity concepts, you quickly see that they are incompatible.

But when you try to point out any of this stuff, they just move the goalposts or stick their fingers in their ears and say, "I won't listen to you, transphobe!"

I'm older, and for most of my life, we were trying to subvert gender stereotypes. Hey, you want to be a stay-at-home dad? Fine with us! You're no less a man for that. You're a man, and you want to wear a dress? Fine with us!

Then, just a few years ago, this whole project got slammed into reverse when people started advocating gender identity as a protected legal class. Suddenly, if you want to wear a dress and jewelry, you're a woman.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

be a stay-at-home dad

I'm a stay at home cat owner. People still oppress me.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

so you have a wife, that you cook for, but you are a stay at home cat owner?

tell me. soy. yes or no?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not in good health, it's not a point of pride for me. People are dicks about it though.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

sorry to hear that.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A++

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're correct. Gender ideology is illogical and contradictory.

[–]leparsdon 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Lmao. They need those stereotypes, otherwise they won't exist.

[–]StunkyButtCrack 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans will be those humans born with a penis who decide they want to chop it off m and/or those people born with boobs and a vagina who decide they want the boots chopped off and the vagina turned into a penis.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they won't look like their gender they want or attract the people they want ever so instead they focus on pressuring people and shaming them into being brainwashed into it