As a super lesbian, I feel more accepted by Republicans, conservatives, and Christians nowadays than I do by my own supposed "community"

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[–]JulienMayfair 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

We tried that on Reddit with the LGBDropTheT sub (banned in the Big Ban Wave last year), and we found that we had people coming from all sorts of different backgrounds finding common ground and getting along. I'm old enough to remember what the gay world was like in the 1990s when we were mostly all getting along with one another. Like any other community, we had our issues and fights between various personalities, but we had a foundation that was pretty solid. And when did gay people say all straight people were evil or post fantasies about killing them? It seemed like we had won most of our important battles and could relax a bit -- and then it all went crazy. Suddenly all the organizations we'd built switched focus and forgot about us.

It felt like this. It's like you built your own house and lived in it. Then, one day, you came home and found that someone else had moved in and changed the locks. You might be allowed back in, but only if you followed the rules set by the new occupants. Oh, and they'd revised your whole history. According to them, you never actually built the house. They built it, and you owe them.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's like you built your own house and lived in it. Then, one day, you came home and found that someone else had moved in and changed the locks. You might be allowed back in, but only if you followed the rules set by the new occupants. Oh, and they'd revised your whole history. According to them, you never actually built the house. They built it, and you owe them.

This is perfect. Definitely gonna use this analogy.

[–]Chipit 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Suddenly all the organizations we'd built switched focus and forgot about us.

There is s/LGBDropTheT here on Saidit. They were victims of censorship on Reddit. Saidit is a free speech platform. These new users immediately began censorship just like the censorship regime they left. It literally says you cannot disagree with them in the rules. They are unaware of any irony of fleeing to a free speech platform in order to enforce a censorship regime. They were never in favor of free speech. They were only in favor of their own speech.

[–]MarkJefferson 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I believe me and others have already thoroughly addressed this before, but you still don't seem to understand the nuance of this topic. Let me start with an example:

You are a moderator. But why be a mod other than to reserve the power to censor people? In fact, as a Free Speech Platform why does Saidit allow moderators at all other than to allow people to censor others? I never created a sub on here or reddit but I assume sub owners can do a lot of other authoritarian stuff including removing topics and comments. Why allow any rules or control over the sub at all? That infringes on free speech. Why even have a report button?

The SuperStraight Subreddit actually had a copious amount of policing(this is technically censorship) against Superphobic rhetoric. The mods were very strict on that. It was being brigaded constantly by those with an axe to grind. Do you think the policing of speech there was the real issue with it? Or was the problem because the reddit Admin stepped in and banned the whole sub? I'm going with the latter. Because those people who had their speech restricted by the SuperStraight sub had hundreds of other subs on Reddit to go to that were friendly to their beliefs. They actually had alternatives. The SuperStraights and associated Super Allies did not. They create a sub for their beliefs and that sub would get banned. It is not a problem of sub-wide censorship but site-wide censorship on the Reddit platform.

Now, as far as I can tell Saidit allows a limited sub-wide censorship but they do not have site-wide censorship in the form of Administrative meddling in individual subs. They keep mod logs, and no individual user can have their profile comments nuked unless by their own choice. You can still read them. So for that and other reasons is why Saidit is considered a Free Speech Platform. Not because there is no form of censorship at all on the site. That kind of internet is an ideological pipe dream. Even one's personal blogs will have comment policing for obvious reasons.

Now, we can argue about the level of censorship there should be on a sub. I personally think that is in the end up to the sub owner and if one doesn't like how it currently works they can appeal for a change in rules or mods, or failing that, they can create their own sub as an alternative. If the censorship is as bad as they say, then the users will flock to that new sub. It happened with KiA2 on Reddit.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Of course it's "nuanced". The nuance is that it's OK when we do it to others, but not OK when others do it to us. This argument is as old as the hills.

[–]MarkJefferson 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Once again you completely ignored what I said because you are an ideologue with a 'Black and White' way of thinking whenever it comes to the topic of censorship.

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    [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    You neither addressed nor refuted anything I had to say. This is merely a personal insult and is specifically against Saidit TOS. Reported.

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      [–]Chipit 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Wow, you can read minds? That's an amazing ability. Someone like you could make a mint on Vegas playing poker.

      Say, can you do it again? Can you tell me what I had for breakfast?