Half of Millennials and Generation Z want employers to prioritize diversity over ability in hiring

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[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, I'm definitely not one of them (Gen Z here). What the fuck? And it's probably only going to get worse from here on out

EDIT: actually want to explain my viewpoint a bit more, was on the phone when I typed this comment and writing long texts there is a pain in the ass

So obviously this whole thing is supposed to reduce discrimination. But instead it replaces it with discrimination against another part of the population, which in this case isn't bound to something like education, and instead factors like skin color, country of origin, etc. And this is in my opinion even worse, since there's no solution for this at all (well, except for abolishing it), as opposed to the ability factor, which can be solved in other ways. Since obviously, the only one that this actually benefits, are, well, the minorities. Not the companies (who basically decide to intentionally choose the worse candidate over a better one), or the people with a good education who are getting their application declined because of factors that they can't control.

[–]HeyImSancho[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think our world is run by an oligarchy, and I'm not sure 'business' is looked at the same way as them. I think they own so much, they can completely manipulate all observations of their affairs=markets/business.

I think they run the world as a plantation; perhaps they're changing demographics for tighter, perhaps easier control.

[–]SundogsPlace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You nailed it. There should be no racism, we shouldn't be changing racism to a different color. Seriously what are these people thinking?

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    [–]SundogsPlace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's intentional and it's already happening. The reason will make it's self apparent soon enough

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Quote: "Millennials and Generation Z believe representation of all races and religions in the workplace is more important than hiring based on merit, according to a new survey. Roughly half (51 percent) of Millennials (age 22-39) and Generation Z (age 18-21) said that 'fair representation of race, ethnicity and religion is paramount to creating the ideal workplace,' according to the poll of 2,002 Americans conducted by John Zogby Strategies."

    It's a great article showing the degradation of society! The article outlines how through the last few generations our expectations have continually dropped lower when looking at productivity, and performance.

    What say you? Do you want a doctor who earned their doctorate by way of affirmative action, or one who studied; to operate on you?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Maybe the kids have never really seen capitalism at work because everything is so manipulated by corporatists and crony capitalism. They grew up post-US-manufacturing.

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If it's true that they are influenced more by politically correctness, instead of job performance alone, then we're truly screwed. It really leans in my mind as zero life experience. I mean zero life experience.

    We're talking about a generation coming up that cannot drive stick shift cars, and seemingly cannot leave the keyboard.

    Life is risk, life can be dangerous, but let's make it all love, hugs, and kisses??? Doesn't work, but whatever, we'll see how things go, but I'm guessing a lot of people will be attending the School of Hardnocks.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh I like that, zero life experience, mostly screen experience.

    [–]Yhvr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I actually agree with baby boomers for once.

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    hahahaha, I'm dating myself. LOL

    [–]SundogsPlace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You're growing and learning!

    [–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

    The thing is, someone can say they're hiring based on ability, but there is often no way to prove that. They might say "he was hired because he's able", and maybe they even believe it, but in reality, it might just be that the job applicant looks like, and talks like the person hiring for the role, and supposing this person is white, you end up with a lot of white guys who are not necessarily more "able" than the non-whites they didn't hire.

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Here's my take, whether employer, or employee; no outside influence, or government watch dog should be involved. A thing called 'personal responsibility' is what should really govern the employer, the employee, potential hire, or even the general public/people.

    There's not an ounce of any legislation that fixes screw ups. I take the concept of my own personal responsibility very seriously, as I'm old enough to see regulations, like in this case I'm guessing EOE type stuff, just don't work.

    With personal responsibility, for myself, I investigate, look for input, ask around, do whatever I need to do, in order to limit my own risk.

    There's only one person in this life that will look out for you, and that's you; people really should learn this.

    The problem with creating things such as 'affirmative action', is anyone using the end good, or service, if they've got any brain at all, will be forced to do extra vetting; especially when dealing with potential 'job fixing for political correctness'.

    [–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Here's my take, whether employer, or employee; no outside influence, or government watch dog should be involved. A thing called 'personal responsibility' is what should really govern the employer, the employee, potential hire, or even the general public/people.

    While I dont think laws can fix everything, at the same time, being black and discriminated against is not a failing of personal responsibility. It's mostly involuntary, in the same way that taller people tend to receive more favor than shorter people.

    The problem with creating things such as 'affirmative action', is anyone using the end good, or service, if they've got any brain at all, will be forced to do extra vetting; especially when dealing with potential 'job fixing for political correctness'.

    The truth is that there is simply no fix for this problem at the present. Affirmative action does not fix it. Notions of personal accountability don't fix it. There is no fix. This is why I would make a terrible politician.

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Personal responsibility is the awareness that ultimately, no matter what anyone else tells you, advises you to do, or flat out demands you do, you are responsible for your own life, safety, and well being at the end of the day.

    It's not something that can be legislated; it's a mindset that can stop a lot of heartache, a lot of headaches, and maybe slow a few grey hairs.

    It's the realization that safety, and security, and life when it comes down to the wire, it's each of us individually at the point of jeopardy. Let's say the jeopardy effects many, and your choice is to give aid, even in the face of peril; that's your choice; you're using your personal responsibility to decide degree of acceptable risk for yourself; somewhere you accept the consequences of said actions.

    As far as law, and legislation? I think most of that is designed for those gaming, owning, and furthering the system, to pay simple lip service; false security.

    ***EDITED FROM BELOW HERE, ON 04/20/2019, reason is the thoughts are there, but my words were lacking articulation, or clarity.

    As far as personal responsibility in relations to 'differences'(I chose this, as blacks are a single group, there's a bunch of folks simply not accepted into any pack, and looked down on), anyone with 'differences' from the larger whole of a given paradigm, is at risk; they need to be aware; hence personal responsibility.

    We live in an organic world, with finite time; shit happens.

    [–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Personal responsibility is the awareness that ultimately, no matter what anyone else tells you, advises you to do, or flat out demands you do, you are responsible for your own life, safety, and well being at the end of the day.

    So what you're saying then, is that if black people can only rely on themselves to fix anything, they should either a) move to Africa, or b) self-segregate and form parallel societies within these borders. I said I don't feel there is a good solution to this issue, and I don't, because what you present as a solution, in the form of personal accountability, I don't feel is a solution at all, you're just telling them to get fucked, in so many words.

    I don't know if you're a white male, but if you are as I am, I hope you can also appreciate how not good looks when people who are already entrenched in positions of influence tell those who aspire to be that they just have to work harder to overcome an obstacle you had never faced yourself.

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    No, I didn't say, you said; let's be clear.

    On that note, I don't believe anything in life is fair; not for anyone, or any group. As far as white privilege, or black privilege, or xyz color privilege. If you think, that those in power, I mean in the bowels of power, give a hood's wink about what color anyone is other than the 'slave use at hand', I think you're mistaken.

    Those people, in the oligarchy, continually spew divisive rhetoric; they're the ones who point out the pimple on your buddies face, and tell everyone to either love, or hate it; which ever way they choose to push people on the given day of the week.

    Don't believe? Just look at the debutante balls held across the world for the richest of the rich; those are their breeding pools. You, me, and anyone else no matter the color are out in the proverbial cotton fields; not fit to breed with our masters.

    Now, having stated that, and back to personal Responsibility, or as you would like to call it, personal 'accountability'. There's nothing fair in life; for anyone; it's all a challenge by design.

    I'm not about artificially raising any person, or group above the whole; the oligarchy/the cabal definitely only does it to sow dissent, and hatred. It creates a chaos of sorts, and they benefit, they get richer; like we see today.

    Personal Responsibility is what you use when you get in your car, do you wear your seatbelt, or not? The choice is your own personal responsibility. If out hiking in the wild, do you carry some sort of protection, or not??? The choice is your own personal responsibility......... I could go on, and on, but why? No point, I think I've clearly described we all have a choice, and we're all responsible for ourselves alone. I just think people should really embrace this, and realize it, but I get where you're coming from, and I'm not interested in any self flagellation for myself, or anyone; that's an idea sold by the establishment, bro.

    [–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The people in control are not just the aristocrats who live in gated enclaves, but even the manager at a small restaurant is in control. They receive applications for all these people looking for work, some white, some not white, and it's in there power to grant employment to one or the other.

    Sometimes people think whites hiring whites is racism, but the truth is people hire people they are most comfortable with, and people are most comfortable with people who are similar to themselves, whether it be their gender, race or age. It would be nice if merit were the only measure, but that's often not how businesses end up selecting a new employee.

    The person who doesn't get a job because they were not similar to the person hiring them is not at fault for not being similar to that person, so to bring the conversation about personal responsibility into the picture doesn't make a lot of sense. How are short people supposed to become tall? How are blacks supposed to become white?

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    It's true, most groups, as far as majority of percentages will stay within their groups. It's nature.

    Having that said though, money, economy, and lusting after consumer crap isn't nature; it's business. There are tons of businesses that are run like crap, and go broke, and then there are others that don't. Is there a certain recipe, or not; perhaps it's given circumstance.

    So, whether you're white, black, brown, latino, old, young, disabled, or a million other possible combinations, when you don't get 'the job', do you scream discrimination?

    Not me, but that employer, and possibly other business owners by way of business association groups, they'll be thinking: "You gonna to go cry to momma?" Seriously, that's how people will, and do view that sort of action. They'll see you as a weak spot, a vulnerability to company security.

    Oh but wait!!! There's a governmental agency to assist; I still call bullshit, no one wants to be around someone who's screaming 'poor, poor, poor, pitiful me'.

    Pick a race, and anyone who's got something, because they worked for it, will walk the other way from the one screaming, 'it's not fair'.... It's as simple as that.

    If there's a law, there's always a million ways around it; take that over to hiring practices, and again, there's always a way around it. Is that the mature thing for a business owner to do? It doesn't matter.

    Life isn't fair, you must learn to pull yourself up by your bootstraps; hence personal responsibility; it's a multifaceted vehicle that will guarantee at the least, a degree of comfort.

    Or you can go cry about life not being fair, and maybe we can get more laws that screw with more common people, while the oligarchy laughs.... hahahaha.

    [–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I still call bullshit, no one wants to be around someone who's screaming 'poor, poor, poor, pitiful me'.

    I repeat, I dont think government action works because it's akin to performing surgery with an hammer, but nevertheless, your persistent victim blaming is no better. Let they cry "pitiful me!", that's certainly their prerogative, just as much as it is yours to mock them. Does "crying' about it" serve their advantage? Probably yes.

    If you really want to treat this as a dog eat dog world, then you should apreciate their right, and desire, to buy politicians who will pass laws that give them an edge of their own, whether it be affirmative action, or "take money from white people and give it directly to black people". You can't say it's OK to be cut throat over here, but not over there.

    People with disadvantages are going to get fucked over, the difference between you and me is that I geuinely feel bad for them, and will help in any way I can, where as you believe its just their burden to bear, you couldn't care less about helping them. I hope I can express to them, as I come across them in life, that I appreciate that I have advantages, and I appreciate that they don't.

    [–]HeyImSancho[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Honestly, at this point, we're engaging in a circle jerk. My only point in mentioning personal responsibility, is clear, at the end of the day, we're ultimately responsible for ourselves. That's not 'blaming', or 'shaming', or however else you'd like to pose it through rose colored glasses. It's simply a fact.

    We've had an entire 20th century, and 21st century of modern recorded history; groups always get subverted, laws get subverted; the concept to look who 'really benefits' seemingly applies often. By percentage, usually it's the oligarchy/the conglomerates/the families behind it that benefit by percentage of most.

    The funny thing though, they're always running their mouths about how everyone must give, and everyone must do a little more with a little less due to the unfortunate.... Right? Remember Haiti, and all the homes that never got built? Where'd the money go?

    It's true, and it leaves everyone needing to realize, at least to myself for a better world, they need to realize they're in charge of their own lives; personal responsibility.

    Yet, every post you make, you try to paint what I say in a literal black race vs. white race type of event.

    Let's try this "Hope ThatHalps", please explain clearly what your ideas are other than throwing blame where it's not due(me), since you state,"I don't think government action works because it's akin to performing surgery with an hammer, but nevertheless, your persistent victim blaming is no better."

    EDITED BELOW, 4/20/2019 removed, 'how to fix', as Halp can't fix anything, or offer any solutions. What's the exact problem you see, bro???? Which group of people are overly advantaged, and why, how so specifically? These are the most pointed question of this post; please respond to this, then we can move forward.

    [–]SundogsPlace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    I've already experienced this in several places who hire based on affirmative action. It's pretty obvious when customer service is slow and uninterested, and then you go to a place down the road who doesn't hire based on affirmative action and the customer service is quick and helpful. Really obvious.

    [–]HopeThatHalps 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Well that's anecdotal, and it sounds very much like confirmation bias. There can be many reason that other place has bad service, but you single out to the idea that its because they hire based on diversity. It's a huge leap, and you only make it because it serves to validate youre beliefs.

    [–]SundogsPlace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This isn't based on my bias, it's based on the government definition of Affirmative action and my experience with two like companies with different hiring procedures.

    One company hires a person based on diversity. They do not require this person has the ability to move quickly. The other hires several different skin colors based on the ability to work quickly. How is that a huge leap to validate my beliefs?

    According to the government definition of Affirmative action, Affirmative action hires based on race and sex, NOT ability. That is a fact. That is what validates my beliefs.