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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, the MSM is a problem, and the fact-checkers are potentially biased, but misinformation and disinformation are also serious problems, and the latter problems outweigh potential problems with the fact checkers. My concerns about misinformation are not endorsements of the MSM. I prefer aggregate sites for news like Saidit and Reddit because they help compare and contrast reports of the news from a range of sources. The "free speech" sites like Saidit and Ruqqus are overrun with far-right propaganda, which is why I read "news" at those sites. Why, however, are they overrun with misinformation? What is the point? It's obviously manipulation by well-funded far-right networks. I think it's important to look at this stuff, but it's also important to look at other aggregate sites for a balance of information. Saidit would get more users if there was more of a balance here. Visitors don't want to comment on the misinformation and they go elsewhere. When I see a rational comment, I +friend that person, and have done this for months. When I review this list of friends, I see that most of them are long gone. Occasionally, there are interesting conversations at Saidit, which is one reason I return. But I also have to deal with a lot of name-calling and insanity, if I want to remain.

[–]fred_red_beans 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Saidit ... overrun with far-right propaganda

Disagree.

The left vs right paradigm is a false dichotomy to make people think they are seeing two sides, when in fact they are seeing the same one.

I think some Saidit users see you promoting this paradigm and find you disingenuous because of it.

Much easier to guide perception and opinions when you can tell people what to be outraged about.

I find it's much better to judge things based on their merit rather than what any authority says (and any "authority" should be held to higher scrutiny) or whether it is considered a left, right, conspiratorial, or what ever label.

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to judge things based on their merit rather than what any authority says

OK - let's forget about the language 99.9% of the peoople are using with regard to left vs. right. There has been an emerging understanding that the real conflict in the US is a class warfare, and thus the 1% vs. the 99%. What baffles me is that people are brainwashed by misinformation networks to believe that Trump and the GOP have been working forr the 99% when the exact opposite is true. And when I say exactly this on Saidit on a regular basis, others claim that I am brainwashed by the 'establishment'. The left vs. right argument actually refers to this left/support for the 99% vs. right/support only for the 1%. Look at who the GOP have benefitted while they were in power, and now look at the $6 trillion that the Biden admin wants to invest in the 99%. No, the political parties aren't the same (as the 1% want you to believe), and only one of those parties has a few members who want to support the 99%, with a jobs bill we've not seen sinte WWII. THIS is the way to support the 99%, rather than believe in the misinformation and propaganda that all government is bad, there are no solutions, there is no left/right, bla, bla, bla. What needs to happen more on Saidit is: fewer complaints that lead to no solutions, and more discussions of the potential solutions.

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Trump and the GOP have been working forr the 99% when the exact opposite is true

You're just making the same argument.

Democrats haven't represented the 99% since the 90's when they and Bill Clinton got in bed with Wall St.

Christ, it was Obama who was POTUS when Occupy Wall Street made the slogan "We are the 99%".

So I guess your solution is to believe the Democrats represent the 99% - no thanks. They've already proved through their actions they are for big banks, international hegemony, and war.

What needs to happen more on Saidit...

I'm here to learn and share. How about you? Are you looking for solutions or are you actually just trying to influence a community to your way of thinking?

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u/socks A reminder to read this twice.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bill (and Dems) made too many deals with the GOP: deregulating, killing social programs, arranging private prisons. And his foreign policy was one of the reasons for the eventual 9/11 attack. Those Dems were so political that they created additional problems for the 99%.

Obama & Dems accomplished in 8 years approximately 10% of what he was capable of accomplishing. Pissed me off.

Since Reagan, the GOP have been devoted ONLY to the 1%, developing a system where there has been so much money in politics that there may be no return to the 'American experiment' and a real democracy.

Thus, unless a 3rd party is wildly successful in the next elections, the ONLY option for the 99% in the US is still the Dems, warts and all. Saidittors tend to whine about oversimplified ideas of politics and government, rather than thinking pragmatically. One reason they do this is because of misinformation that they want to believe in.

I like to ask Saiditors questions about politics, in order to see if there are any reasonable solutions envisioned on the far-right, but I've not heard any just yet.

I am at Saidit in order to get read alternative points of view and to see if anyone on the far-right has the ability to discuss reliable solutions in politics.

No, I have no interest in influencing anyone. A number of us here tend to be contrarians and seem to enjoy arguing, but who we are and what we want should not be important.

That said, when a sane user joins Saidit, I try to encourage them to stay. (Most of them are gone.)

BTW: you've not mentioned a solution. What do you think are reasonable solutions to US politics, if you don't support Dem legislators. For example - who are the politicians that you support?