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[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I have very little faith in democracy to bring about true liberty though. Imagine in a purely democratic state that the majority voted to legalize slavery. Now what?

I say every man is the sole owner of his own body, and to claim ownership of another man's body is to violate his liberty. If the state is to have any just role, it must be to assist in the protection of my body (life).

I say that every man requires freedom of speech and association. Speech allows me to negotiate peaceful solutions rather than engage in violence with other men. Free association allows me to choose who will I will live near, and allow me the option to move elsewhere if negotiation fails and I wish to avoid the violence of other men. If government is to have any role in society, it must assist in protecting my freedoms of speech and association.

I say that every man must be allowed full control of the products of his labor. Labor is how men gather resources and create goods for peaceful voluntary trade in order to provide for their own survival and flourishing. To take away the product of a mans labor is to deprive him the means to sustain his own life, and therefore a threat to his very existence. If government is to have any role in society, it must assist in the protection of my property rights. This is the only peaceful way I can provide for my own survival and flourishing, as well as produce valuable goods for peaceful voluntary trade.

Anything the government does beyond providing protection of my personal liberties stands a better chance of harming me than helping.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If government is to have any role in society, it must assist in the protection of my property rights. This is the only peaceful way I can provide for my own survival and flourishing, as well as produce valuable goods for peaceful voluntary trade.

Anything the government does beyond providing protection of my personal liberties stands a better chance of harming me than helping.

Voluntarism and community based, sustainable solutions is very important and something that is severely lacking in the US. I agree with you on all points. However, Government on merit should have the ability to protect your property rights, as should the community at all costs whilst also making it illegal for private predatory monopolies and debt bondage entities to confiscate YOUR labor and property.

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Monopolies don't survive long in free markets.

https://invidio.us/watch?v=0_PQlX9NDL0

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=0_PQlX9NDL0

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0_PQlX9NDL0

idk what you mean debt bondage

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

In which case we don't have free markets despite what the neoliberals say.

[–]sawboss[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

we don't have free markets

exactly. we have economic fascism.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree 100%.

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a powerful revelation. People who understand it are more resistant to propaganda. Once you know that America is not Capitalist, at least not purely, a lot of things make more sense.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

exactly. we have economic fascism.

And socialism for the wealthy

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Are you an anarchist/volunteerist?

That is a fairly reasonable personal stance.

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

i won't use gay slurs against you

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Go back to riding your upside down bar stool.

Edit: A sawboss quotation.

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

fuck off

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Sawboss. I'm not discouraged in the least by your hostility.

In fact, I agree with much of what you post.

You are A-OK in my book.

Ya bitch! ;-)

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

fuck off retard

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Easy there, Chi-Chi...

[–]sawboss[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

fuck off