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    Seems like this would be nearly impossible to corroborate, but it's noted that the "Duke University confirmed" this happened. It's a click-bait subject, of the racist, violent opinion of a student at Duke, which would surprise no one, given the racist history of some at the university and in the area. CNN could have addressed this issue within its broader history and context.

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      Oh come on! It sent an obvious message that he died of an overdose rather than a knee on his neck for 9 minutes. There is video evidence. Unles this has somehow been debunked with good evidence that refutes the video evidence, anyone suggesting that he died of an overdose rather than the knee on his neck is pushing an altarnative agenda that can easily be considered racist. Moreover, if he died of an overdose rather than what is obvious in the video, how was it possible for the family to win a $27 million civil settlement?

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      Unles this has somehow been debunked with good evidence that refutes the video evidence

      Did you not read the autopsy when it first came out? He died after being at the hospital for over an hour, with around 4 times the lethal dose of Fentanyl in his system, in addition to meth and other drugs.

      The Fentanyl was already having an effect when the cops arrived, and he told them he was having trouble breathing. Then he appeared to swallow a packet of drugs before they tried to get him into their car. While restraining him after he resisted getting in the car, the combination of Fentanyl and meth took him away. They gave him medical attention there on the street, and sent him off to the hospital, but his overdose was too much.

      https://www.docdroid.net/hBXNmY2/autopsy-2020-3700-floyd-pdf#page=4

      I would recommend real sources of information over crazy stories from rabble rousers.

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        Yes - and I appreciate that the cop was not trying to kill anyone. Still, $27 million says the cop goofed, not George, his toxic habits, or his $20 (though resisting arrest is problematic).

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          I mentioned the "toxic habits".

          OK - let's say you're right - that there is absolutely no bias to the notion that George died of an overdose.

          Therefore the question: which drug?

          Are you referring to "fentanyl intoxication, and recent methamphetamine use"?

          The autopsy report and toxocology report both indicate that there was not enough of both drugs to kill him.

          Do you want to argue that the drugs and a heart condition killed him?

          If so, this combination was not lethal until George was unable to breathe for the best part of 9 minutes. Thus he did not die of a drug overdose.

          Do you wish to argue that he died of the drugs, arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, excitement, breathing problems, but not the pressure on his neck for 9 minutes? That's still not death by drug overdose. Here is a full explanation of the cause of death:

          https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/working-stiff/86913

          Regarding bias, I am merely stating what is known of the case. Perhaps you would rather we focus on a drug overdose, rather than all of the other factors. Yes, drugs contributed to George's problems, but he would have continued living with those drugs in his system (as many others do). It's unlikely that he was going to drop dead at the moment the cops arrived. The cause of death is therefore the one development that the person with drugs, arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease, excitement, and breathing problems could not handle: inability to breath due to a knee on his neck for 9 minutes.

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            I have to admit - this is very well-written and a well developed series of arguments and evidence. This also agrees with the toxicology report. It will be stong evidence in Derek Chauvin's trial and will show - in my view - "reasonable doubt" for murder or manslaughter. I don't think this removes him entirely from the factors that led to George's death, but it's important that a reaction to swallowed drugs will be considered. It will be important for his attornies to show medical research on the specific amounts of drugs at issue in the present case and in other examples where death can be caused by that specific amount of the drugs in the system of a person with George's level of arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease. The rate of absorption into George's system should also be considered. If all of that technical evidence is appropriately presented, Chauvin could walk (with probation) with a reckless endangerment conviction (and it will likely cause riots, but that's not really at issue here). The Special Assistant Attorney General Jerry Blackwell will now push for the argument that Chauvin "betrayed the badge", which seems like he's backing away from the murder charge, if I read this correctly. Thus if the A.G. fails to do his best work, Chauvin won't spend a day in jail. The time it takes to absorb the drugs George took, along with other drug and health factors, followed by Chauvin leaning on George's neck for 9 minutes, still seems to indicate that the most immediate cause of death was suffocation, per the medpagetoday.com link above. (Unfortunately long answer but hopefully worth reading.)

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            Yep - though can be reliable (IMHO).