Atko, original Voat founder (who then transferred it to PuttItOut), "decided to create a whole new community from scratch (now under a new name: FlingUp)"

nabtard · 2023-01-22T16:49:01+00:00

Looks like this is an alpha version for now - I see no way to upvote/downvote, no user profile/settings, no /r/all/new equivalent etc.

Apparently the same (or pretty similar) website was called 20-things.com before, it was listed in /r/RedditAlternatives/ list.

JasonCarswell · 2023-01-17T23:45:05+00:00

Good post, thanks.

All sites with .win are censored on Facebook/Messenger, last time I used it 8+ months ago.

Alexa is no more:

I'd like to say that it was because we called out the bullshit, but I really doubt it.

nabtard · 2023-01-17T21:11:57+00:00

Announcement from Feb 2022:

Going forward, we will be known as Scored, and we will be found at scored.co.

https://communities.win/c/Announcements/p/141YbUDRav

Alexa is no more:

We retired Alexa.com on May 1, 2022, after more than two decades of helping you find, reach, and convert your digital audience. Thank you for making us your go-to resource for content research, competitive analysis, keyword research, and so much more.

https://www.alexa.com/

JasonCarswell · 2023-01-17T20:27:32+00:00

I don't know scored.co.

I like these monthly updates.

Alexa and SimilarWeb often have not-similar stats.

nabtard · 2023-01-17T12:34:37+00:00

Part II: https://archive.is/pJstT

nabtard · 2023-01-17T12:10:12+00:00

They are much bigger than these alternatives, patriots.win alone is 6.4M visits. But

1) they use a lot of domains and SimilarWeb is domain-based, so I would have to manually add them like voat.xyz+talk.lol

2) this is a personal list of old reddit-like alternatives, which I theoretically could join, and I wouldn't like to be governed by Trump cultists, so I didn't include them when started this

It's easy to manually look them up like this if you are curious:

https://www.similarweb.com/website/patriots.win/#traffic

https://www.similarweb.com/website/communities.win/#traffic

Do they actually use scored.co btw?

JasonCarswell · 2023-01-16T18:35:20+00:00

I'm the admin for wolfballs.com.

Good to know!

If you don't mind, I have a few questions.

Is Wolfballs federated with other Lemmy instances?

Do you develop custom code, on Lemmy, and/or other platforms?

I have no code skills, limited geek skills, good general knowledge, and a lot of ideas about how decentralized social media might and needs to better evolve. Interested?

JasonCarswell · 2023-01-16T18:25:33+00:00

What about the Communities.Win?

For whatever it's worth, I logged some old data here, not updated in quite a while:
https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt#Size_and_trends

nabtard · 2023-01-15T22:03:05+00:00

I meant SimilarWeb doesn't show Global Rank for wolfballs.com anymore:

Global Rank - -

https://www.similarweb.com/website/wolfballs.com/#overview

It did show it previously:

Oct Global Rank #5,684,646

Nov Global Rank #7,865,654

I think I didn't see shit like this before, even smallest websites have rank (it's like Alexa rank) - looks like they removed your website for some reason.

TimothyMcFuck · 2023-01-15T18:22:17+00:00

I'm the admin for wolfballs.com. is there any other specific information you are looking for? Come join us there

nabtard · 2023-01-15T16:02:22+00:00

saidit.net: 434.5K -> 307.6K -> 261.7K

magnora7's absence is bad for traffic :(

notabug.io/snew.notabug.io ghost stats for history (SimilarWeb counts visit attempts to dead websites via extensions/dns):

Oct - 47.1K (30.4K)

Nov - 16.7K (10.1K)

Dec - 11.2K (10.3K)

Rastafoo · 2022-12-26T08:07:48+00:00

It always surprises me how rdrama and poal seem to have so many visitors when the content there is such shit; but people do love a sense of community I suppose

doginventer · 2022-12-25T20:35:52+00:00

ComeBackWonderfish!

Countach_3D · 2022-12-15T14:44:37+00:00

n. /'twaɪsɚ/ crook; swindler.

Musky · 2022-12-13T23:12:31+00:00

Were it only Socks that might be different, but a lot of good contributors have been banned on a site that is too small to have the luxury of being overly picky. Particularly of note, he banned me.

jet199 · 2022-12-13T21:26:33+00:00

Less socks

jet199 · 2022-12-13T07:46:13+00:00

Him and weegs should set up a support group.

Musky · 2022-12-12T22:30:11+00:00

Damn, m7 had $90k in doge!

Musky · 2022-12-12T22:28:16+00:00

The current value of 4000 monero is $606,874.85

LarrySwinger2 · 2022-12-12T20:07:49+00:00

There's a user on here who sent $150,000 to go1dfish in a confused state. There's a good chance he simply disappeared so that he didn't have to deal with him asking the money back. That person claims to have verified that go1dfish is still "alive and well" (in his own words).

LarrySwinger2 · 2022-12-12T19:50:46+00:00

I've been posting like that for 2.5 years. The only way to de-anonymize me is through a network attack on Tor.

HongKongPhooey · 2022-12-12T19:27:10+00:00

You don't actually need to even include an email here, just a username and password

jet199 · 2022-12-12T19:23:22+00:00

Also playing whataboutery over SBF. https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z9utz3/sam_bankmanfried_apologized_to_an_ftx_customer/iyjyw6l/?context=3

Most nerds are just temporarily embarrassed billionaire crooks.

Musky · 2022-12-12T18:41:49+00:00

Less people get banned when m7 is away.

jet199 · 2022-12-12T17:07:51+00:00

I think it might just be a word my family use.

It means two-timer or cheating spouse.

tiny-brown-mug · 2022-12-12T15:08:53+00:00

Yeah, that's one thing I love about this website. No e-mail needed for an account. :)

nabtard · 2022-12-12T13:37:55+00:00

is "twicer" something like "hypocrite"? sorry, not a native english speaker

jet199 · 2022-12-12T13:33:19+00:00

Dirty twicer

nabtard · 2022-12-12T12:52:27+00:00

Btw I created an account via Tor without email to reply there, and it wasn't shadowbanned on sight! Imagine that!

UPD Sorry, I forgot (drinking beer here) - not "without email", but via one-time email from guerrillamail.com, grr.la domain worked.

FuckYourMom · 2022-12-01T07:36:10+00:00

Nice

iamonlyoneman · 2022-12-01T03:58:54+00:00

Agreed on all points but rdrama.net often (usually?) has a monthly stats post from the site itself. Surely the data are easy to obtain for site admins or ownership.

nabtard · 2022-12-01T03:21:23+00:00

It's probably hard to compare directly, Similarweb's "visits" are not "views", it's user sessions defined in some specific way:

Similarweb calculates a visit (session) for a website when a visitor accesses one or more pages. Subsequent page views are included in the same visit until the user is inactive for more than 30 minutes. If a user becomes active again after 30 minutes, that counts as a new visit. A new session will also start at midnight.

https://support.similarweb.com/hc/en-us/articles/212999769-Total-Visits

These are estimations from their limited data anyway (browser extensions which sell browsing history, DNS data from internet providers and so on), could be wrong 2x-3x in both directions (underestimated/overestimated). Just it's fun to compare these stats over months :)

iamonlyoneman · 2022-12-01T00:26:06+00:00

u/magnora7 it would be cool if we could see official numbers

nabtard · 2022-11-30T21:40:40+00:00

I was doing this shit monthly on notabug, will continue here if you don't mind. The sources are SimilarWeb reports like this one for saidit: https://www.similarweb.com/website/saidit.net/#overview

Here is the last notabug report: https://archive.is/w9rB1 (2.45K-10.5K visits)

Zapped · 2022-03-17T20:24:11+00:00

A place for the craziness? I see your point.

AXXA · 2022-03-17T19:06:16+00:00

Dump the animated GIFs. The site makes my eyes bleed.

Aevann · 2022-03-17T17:13:02+00:00

good idea king

NutterButterFlutter · 2022-03-17T15:56:16+00:00

:marseyagree:

(also, might wanna share over on s/drama in case anyone stumbles across that sub too)

yabbit · 2022-03-17T15:37:06+00:00

I think it allows the sub to breathe a little bit

Vulptex · 2022-03-17T15:13:29+00:00

Lots of censorship, and carpathianflorist reigns supreme

Zapped · 2022-03-16T23:39:11+00:00

Cycled in and out like the chat? That's not been working well.

yabbit · 2022-03-16T23:20:28+00:00

At least I am posting there's three people on this site somebody needs to bring the content.

AXXA · 2022-03-16T23:03:45+00:00

the problem is you always shitpost

it's really sad you lack the self-awareness to see it

Airbus320 · 2021-10-14T16:59:18+00:00

Edgy

Tiwaking · 2021-10-14T10:52:21+00:00

Whats the difference between Jeffrey Epstein and Ruqqus?

Epstein didnt kill himself

JasonCarswell · 2021-08-14T20:01:15+00:00

Agreed. It would be nice to muster a team to develop and share a "Best Of SaidIt" Weekly and/or Monthly for folks who don't have the time nor interest in deep dives or dredging through all the repetitive news to find the best one on an issue. IMO this idea has the potential to generate income for SaidIt so that we may expand resources and set code-bounties to add functionality to SaidIt and beyond.

Federating on Lemmy with other instances, different communities could submit their top 3 (or whatever) articles/issues into a regular federated news summary source.

JasonCarswell · 2021-08-14T19:54:07+00:00

Indeed! Yes! But it's not a Reddit-clone.

Now if you can create Reddit and/or Facebook re-skinning I'm sure you might get a lot more interest from lazy users accustomed to their habbits. Make it decentralized and you've got dynamite!

LarrySwinger2 · 2021-08-14T14:59:55+00:00

Well, there's Incantation.

JasonCarswell · 2021-08-13T20:28:47+00:00

votal and communities.win are some

Yes, https://Communities.win now includes:
https://TheDonald.win (aka https://Patriots.win)
https://WSBets.win
https://KotakuInAction.win
https://OmegaCanada.win
https://GavinMcInnes.win
https://ConsumeProduct.win
https://KotakuInAction2.win
https://WeekendGunnit.win
https://TuckerCarlson.win
https://GreatAwakening.win
https://IP2Always.win
https://Conspiracies.win
https://Meta.win
https://Ancaps.win
https://Guns.win
https://Christianity.win
https://Shithole.win
https://NoNewNormal.win
https://MGTOW.win

And https://Votal.net appears to be an exact Lemmy clone of a site /u/Node has been using since January^citation: https://Preview.Goatpen.co

JasonCarswell · 2021-08-13T20:28:31+00:00

Interesting. TIL.

/s/Cassy also has a Lemmy instance running, yet to be announced after some open social management stuff and bureaucracy is discussed at length and nailed down before we start using it. Plus the built-in censorship can be removed. These two other instances give us hope for federating the "deplorables" and maybe a Libré-Lemmy fork, aka Tard-Spork.

Linked to /s/SaiditAlternatives/comments/899e/saidit_alternatives_ssaidit/.

Fisuxcel · 2021-08-13T18:03:51+00:00

votal and communities.win are some

Node · 2021-08-13T17:47:59+00:00

That appears to be an exact clone of a site I've been using since January. Well, less 'using' and more just keeping up with the old voat diaspora. Mostly just autists and weirdos now.

https://preview.goatpen.co/

The problem with the template is that certain 'bad' words have been hard coded out. Removed that.

From the comments:

Hardcoded slur blocklists are embarrasing and show that those who implemented it understand very little about how languages and open source work.

My favorite is the example being used on GitHub, “Sremovedew Valley” instead of Stardew Valley.

JasonCarswell · 2021-08-13T17:19:55+00:00

Worth reposting here for the record.

JasonCarswell · 2021-08-13T17:16:29+00:00

A three month old discussion worth reposting here for the record.

JasonCarswell · 2021-06-25T09:08:51+00:00

Thanks for the encouragement and finding this.

Now that things have finally solidified and what needs to be done is becoming crystal clear...

Post : /s/Cassy/comments/80b8/cassandra_team_presents_our_forum_on_tor_soft/

In comments : /s/debatealtright/comments/80ch/weve_gotten_a_reprieve_but_m7_is_still_mia_afaik/

...And we have a solid plan of action moving forward now, there's no reason I can't rework that and share it to motivate folks. I do have some a few more pressing things to draft up.

Including the need for financial support. Soon.

We were starting slowly from small to big, but with the urgency of last weeks insanity with down time it seems time to start big, strong, and solid and then spread out.

Earendil · 2021-06-25T04:26:01+00:00

You should post that. For some reason, I never saw this message and only saw it when scrolling through comment logs.

I will PM more concerning my views on all this. Keep working, Jason!

JasonCarswell · 2021-06-15T21:39:09+00:00

Agreed!

Everyone should, as I was saying to Jesus:
/s/AskSaidIt/comments/7zcz/i_want_to_be_a_jewish_internet_defense_league/ttga

Perhaps I should post that.

I was starting to give up, sort of, after finding a small but vibrant local community, not just talking, but doing things (as we used to do for Burning Man). Since I discovered them (not really hiding), every week but one (last minute ride cancellation) I've been attending the Saturday lockdown protests. Some of them have interest in my decentralization ideas - and they may have some money and/or skills to help.

JasonCarswell · 2021-06-15T21:38:26+00:00

We can be the lost tribe returning to take over Reddit. If only one of us owned a bank or few.

Earendil · 2021-06-14T15:55:02+00:00

u/JasonCarswell I think it's time I took more of an interest in your work with s/Cassy

d3rr · 2021-05-29T18:51:25+00:00

That's when they introduced the sub categorization system and stopped showing content unless you logged in. I mean this site ain't no peach either.

d3rr · 2021-05-29T17:51:38+00:00

Maybe they aren't lying about the catbox thing, despite that supposed email screenshot. I lost faith in ruqqus when they freaked out and changed the site around when Voat went down.

Node · 2021-05-29T04:16:21+00:00

I believe it's the vaxxers and maskers doing the poisoning.

As for user engagement, it would be far better if not for the acts of certain saidit admins. "Commenter flight" from abuse and insanity is a real phenomenon.

d3rr · 2021-05-29T03:50:49+00:00

This, from your linked post: https://files.catbox.moe/5awwbl.png

Dinosaurysus · 2021-05-28T19:03:30+00:00

I can't deprive the people of my insights Drewski :)

Dinosaurysus · 2021-05-28T19:01:47+00:00

I mostly agree with you but I think the users here are essentially Saidit's main asset. They're why I'm here, I like talking to them. Mostly.

I only spend a few minutes a week at this site now.

Yeah it doesn't take long to get all caught up.

d3rr · 2021-05-28T18:56:48+00:00

Yes I'm really disappointed in them. They also lied about illegal images being on pic8 or catbox or one of those.

yetanotherone_sigh · 2021-05-28T18:13:12+00:00

Saidit just simply doesn't have good user engagement. It's not big enough to get big or stay big.

High numbers of bots posting and upvoting content to front page... check

Low numbers of new legitimate posts... check

Low numbers of votes on legitimate posts... check

Low numbers of comments... check

A few loudmouths (anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, muh freedums) poisoning the well and bullying the comments sections... check

Probably nowhere to go but down. I only spend a few minutes a week at this site now.

Dinosaurysus · 2021-05-28T18:03:28+00:00

I love Alexa, use it for everything from music to timing my cooking, sucks it's a spy. They are really handy.

Drewski · 2021-05-28T17:21:34+00:00

If you're just lurking, the reddit frontend https://teddit.net works great. It's quick and lightweight, and you can subscribe to subreddits using multis or cookies. Doesn't support accounts or posting though.

RuckusChan · 2021-05-28T17:06:01+00:00

Ruqqus banned discussion of Orcs https://ruqqus.com/+gaming/post/av44/black-orcs-football-trailer-orc-goblin Also hostile guilds takeover drama continues... https://ruqqus.com/+Ruqqus/post/ba9f/updates-to-guild-siege-mechanics ... and a lot of the numbers got inflated after the voat exodus https://ruqqus.com/+general/post/64m3/ruqqus-administrator-the-offensive-category-will

Dinosaurysus · 2021-05-28T16:59:00+00:00

You and me both. I think we should take back reddit tho. Not as an end be all, but I'm not sure whats going on here. A moderated subreddit could handle all of the users here easily, it'd just be a small sub at this point.

Earendil · 2021-05-28T13:29:12+00:00

I'm perusing Saidit in the hopes a better site gets recommended. I have yet to see a better site get recommended.

Chipit · 2021-05-28T12:39:30+00:00

This only counts people who have installed the Alexa spyware toolbar.

JasonCarswell · 2021-05-28T06:41:10+00:00

I don't trust Alexa at all. Last year I discovered they were fudging the numbers. The graph in blue looks like it's straightened out for some reason but I think it's just controlled. I stopped doing the charts when I wasn't getting admin help on InfoGalactic, plus I forgot, and it's tedious.
https://InfoGalactic.com/info/SaidIt#User_numbers_and_rankings

On the other hand I found that SimilarWeb continued to be fair and apparently accurate.
https://SimilarWeb.com/website/saidit.net/
https://SimilarWeb.com/website/ruqqus.com/

cc /u/AXXA, /u/Dinosaurysus, /u/thefirststone

thefirststone · 2021-05-28T00:38:30+00:00

So either Saidit is getting dumber, or Ruqqus is getting smarter, or the distribution spread changed while they stayed put.

Alexa still claims it counts only "Alexa users," whatever that counts as nowadays. It doesn't count me, anyway.

Dinosaurysus · 2021-05-27T22:46:42+00:00

Seems like we're down to roughly 40 contributors now, down over half, by my estimate. That's just me eyeballing.

As far as I know, nobody has yet heard from M7, it's been 18 days now.

And at this point I feel I kinda have to be on reddit for stonks and crypto. It's nice the app doesn't suck any more. And you can earn crypto there now from posting.

Still, got all those extreme left wingers and shitty mods, but with the influx of investors, who tend to have conservative values, it's bringing some balance back.

All in all, this seems terrible for Saidit.

fred_red_beans · 2021-05-27T22:04:56+00:00

interesting...

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ruqqus.com

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/saidit.net

fschmidt · 2021-05-14T19:50:12+00:00

Poal was literally worse than Reddit on censorship, so I consider them worthless. I don't care about Nazis unless they are in control and exercise censorship like on Poal.

Node · 2021-05-12T03:29:45+00:00

Good posts and lots of commenters, but the admins are worse than saidit. If they disagree with something you say, or if you upvote someone they dislike, they will 'nuke' your account by putting your point score at -100. This disables your ability to vote, click on user names, or send private messages. You also get a 'suspicious behavior' tag on your user name.

fschmidt · 2021-05-12T01:03:53+00:00

Poal is a Nazi totalitarian cesspool with no free speech.

https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/kuuu4n/poalco_is_not_a_good_alternative_filled_with/

I can confirm from my own experience there.

yellow_algebra_31 · 2020-09-15T01:20:57+00:00

https://postwith.me/ doesn't load for me, may want to update that entry

also world.dot.world

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-08T21:53:49+00:00

Wow!

JasonCarswell · 2020-09-08T20:54:34+00:00

Feel free to repost this in /s/DecentralizeAllThings.

Added to /s/DecentralizeAllThings/wiki.

Rastafoo · 2020-08-19T00:56:32+00:00

Ruqqus is ass, they ban everyone

magnora7 · 2020-06-09T00:32:11+00:00

Lol look at that graph: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/hive.blog

They went from 800k place to 35k place in 90 days. I guess the migration was a success...

magnora7 · 2020-06-08T22:12:16+00:00

Hm oh wow, that's interesting.

d3rr · 2020-06-08T22:05:52+00:00

They finally dealt with the steem creators unethically premining like half of the steem currency. Steem got sold and the new owner tried to cash it in or power play it or something.

https://cryptobriefing.com/steem-successfully-forks-creating-hive-blockchain/

new homepage, I think: https://hive.blog/

magnora7 · 2020-06-08T21:42:47+00:00

Oh is that right? The fact it's hard to keep track of what's going on probably isn't good for steemit

d3rr · 2020-06-08T20:04:24+00:00

I think there's a new preferred steemit site, after a forking, hive or something, I kinda lost track of what was going on.

magnora7 · 2020-06-08T07:34:49+00:00

Just noticed this. I haven't been there a while, I know they've been having problems with shills because of how the site rewards money for the top posts, but apparently korean language-speakers have taken over the website as that makes up the overwhelming majority of the posts on the site now.

I didn't see that one coming!

JasonCarswell · 2020-05-15T13:31:06+00:00

Also important are the federated sites for greater decentralization. They are separate now, but perhaps they will all eventually form a federated hive mind of sorts.

See also:
/s/DecentralizeAllThings/
/s/DecentralizeAllThings/wiki/

JasonCarswell · 2020-05-15T13:25:48+00:00

Great list!

That would also be great in a wiki.

Are information sites comparable? ie. WikiSpooks, Wikipedia, Quora, etc. I guess the whole internet is a research tool.

CelFon · 2020-01-18T20:33:48+00:00

Ah, I see.
Thanks for explanation.

Yes, Reddit indeed is full of censorship.
Interesting posts: https://poal.co/s/MeanwhileOnReddit .

magnora7 · 2020-01-18T20:15:08+00:00

Because we care most about the post-reddit ecosystem and the availability of information

CelFon · 2020-01-18T19:48:06+00:00

discord

Discord is not a real forum, but more of a messenger.

CelFon · 2020-01-18T19:44:13+00:00

Sorry for the dumb question, but why would a site promote its alternatives?

Tiwaking · 2020-01-07T00:51:21+00:00

Anonymous 2mo b

Gab is banning people now. Join Minds:

Where minds gather. We are a fully open source social networking platform for Internet freedom.

Let no one say I didnt warn you

macadoum · 2020-01-07T00:25:11+00:00

I like everything in Katcafe :

The fact that you don't even an account to post or comment while still receiving notifications
The top-left box which permit to quicly change country/languages. You get the exact same website/subs but ina different language. Could be nice to get this in SaidIt too.
The way a post is displayed. By posting a new link, you create a new topic. The link stay small at the bottom of the thumbail.

There are some really good ideas here I think. The problem is that the website is empty.

magnora7 · 2020-01-02T01:12:41+00:00

Cool, thanks! I just added it to the list

Bullet_Storm · 2020-01-01T16:01:11+00:00

ieddit Alexa ranking: #1,445,943

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