SaidIt Survey: Proposed layout modifications. Example images of 2 default + 2 custom CSS, with/without mods. Removed voting icons to leave only voting numbers moved with source url to right side. I would assume a hover label of "Interesting" or "Fun" would pop up. (Add "Vote" for clarity?)

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The votes on the right helps encourage voting, by making it noticable and easier. Voting should remain first, as it's the primary participatory option.

A simple click.
Or two...
Or three; to unclick the first one.

The stewards are clever and likely have forks, etc.
If not, then I'm sure you'll help them with that. I'm not sure how control of forks works, it is that's feasible.

Either way, their the captains of their own ship. They're as experienced as anyone at Redditing, and they know what had failed in the past.
IIRC you really didn't car for Reddit, so you could ask them for insight about specific justifications. They probably couldn't quantify much of it, as it's experience based, so you have to deal with the issues before the solutions make sense. That's a guess, but I'm an expert theorist/guesser.

Quasi mode was taken out of context. Please go read my comment for specifics. Quasi mode should be inclusive of subs, not exclusive of subs.
Free speech 100% especially for voices with messages that I despise..

Does that help?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think you mean votes on the left.

I'm not talking about the primary participatory option (which is actually reading the title). I'm talking about what is valued more - the article or voting?

It's not more noticeable no easier. I just happens to be in a familiar place. Where are the votes on YouTube? In the same place they always are.

Stewards? Forks?

SaidIt is not Reddit. This is one way to make that abundantly but subtly clear.

I was making a pun on Quasimodo, the Hunchback of Notre Damme.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

YouTube mostly cares about views. Not votes.

People up-vote things that they don't read. It's a fact. That makes it the default highest priority target, if we want to increase viewership.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

YouTube mostly cares about presenting videos, not views nor votes.

I'm suggesting SaidIt care more about presenting content, not votes.

People up-vote things that they don't read. It's a fact.

If this fact is true then is their vote as legitimate a measure, and if it's not should we emphasize an illegitimate measure, or is it okay to shift it to the right because it's not entirely illegitimate?

That makes it the default highest priority target, if we want to increase viewership.

How? That's a mighty leap in logic there.

There's also the presumption that "we want to increase viewership".

What does "viewership" mean to you? Does quality count? Quality of people, quality of content, quality of votes?

And when the swarms of masses come, will the problems solve themselves or go away? I suspect they'll get exponentially worse.

The voting popularity contest is a dilemma. I've posted stuff for kicks to see what they might accrue out of curiosity. Mostly I just don't give a fuck, except when I think I've posted a gold nugget that gets overlooked.

If there was an option to get rid of the votes altogether and put a limit on say 5 quality posts a day or the current setup - I'd go with the current setup. But I honestly think my slight modification is a step in a better direction, if only ever so small.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Voting is the top, because it's the essence of the format.

Get rid of voting, and everything else is moot. It would be a random article site.

If articles were eliminate; text posts could be commented on, and voted on. And vice versa.

Voting is the primary function.

It cannot be eliminated or reduced, as it's the primary method of participation.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So if most people on SaidIt started posting things about puppies, their nail polish, diaries, home renovations, car accessories, etc you wouldn't care as long as you got to vote on them? Scrap the posts altogether. Let's just vote on who we like the best.

Yes I'm being facetious.

Content is the essence and focus of the format. SaidIt already is a VERY random site.

Voting is just another way to manage the content. Lose the voting and...? You still have alphabetical and timestamp sorting (and not particularly well implemented). Voting is hardly organized. I want LOTS and LOTS and LOTS more organization and have been pleading for cross-sub classifications, metatags, public flags, personal flags, etc etc etc. Not to mention much improve search engine to ALSO search comments and wikis. And of course better navigation beyond just "prev" and "next" which suck if you want to find something from 3 months ago. Also the wiki could be much better, but that's a whole other diversion.

The default opensource Reddit fork is good, but it could be great. Honestly, coming from not having delved into Reddit at all to finally learn about SaidIt and actually start using Reddit a dozen times I am utterly astounded how primitive it all is. (Of course, I'm also not thrilled about the simpleton's YouTube layout or even worse layouts at all the other tubes, among other sites. If you want a nice forum check out https://qxr.pw/ - not the best but very good.)

SaidIt is already great, not from the fork, not from the voting - but from the content, noble community, and quality administration.

You can vote with words too. You don't need a button. But there's nothing to vote or comment on without the content, links, articles, images, texts, videos, etc.

Even if you got to SurveyMonkey and MyVote - they're meaningless votes without the content.

I never suggested elimination. I don't know what you mean by "reduced". If anything I made the numbers larger.

The primary method of participation is reading the content - then deciding to vote or comment on it as you see fit. I'm quite sure folks chose to abstain from voting too. I do. Often. Despite feeling compelled to agree with the headline and title, I won't vote unless I've read or seen it. That's not a primary action.