Should we make the /subscribed page the main home page?

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[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (41 children)

Access to information should be a human right (IMHO).

Including subs that aren't subscribed to is a great way to broaden proles horizons. It's like a news paper. You don't have to read any article, but you can't know what you're missing without a headline.

Censorship by omission is the most common method of supressing info. Reddit is guilty of this heinous crime. This should be discouraged.

I like the current system, but maybe it is time for a change.

I would propose some TBD ratio similar to:

  • Subscribed 67%
  • World news / Current Events 13%
  • TIL/Science/ 20%
  • Conspiracy 5%.

I understand the desire for total immersion in ones interests. However, this can lead to group-think and isolationism. This should be discouraged.

Academic and intellectual communitarianism should be encouraged. Expand the communities horizons. They are plenty of fascinating wonders that we'll never experienced unless other enlightened individuals make the effort to share them, and there's a platform for exposure.

What do you folks think???

Does anyone else have any suggestions. :-)

Edit: mistakenly typed spreading instead of supressing

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Access to information should be a human right (IMHO).

Including subs that aren't subscribed to is a great way to broaden proles horizons. It's like a news paper. You don't have to read any article, but you can't know what you're missing without a headline.

That's why I think the "home" can be subscribed and the /all can be all (unless you still have a black list for ads which I think should at least be published on /all/wiki). All is still all (perhaps mostly), and that information can be RSS feed archived.

I don't understand your TBD ratio, unless you're meaning the new user default subscribes - which is a completely different topic that I'm not in favour of. I'm for newbie default subscribe = all + let them decide. Stay different than Reddit. Be bold be brave be SaidIt.

I don't think group think will be a problem for a long time on SaidIt, unless you count how many of us don't believe the hype.

Of course, I'll be fading back soon to focus more on animation. 2 cents + grain of salt.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

TBD = To Be Determined; meaning I haven't bothered to work out what I would regard as optimal %s for content. Also, who's to say what"optimal" is.

So their page would be X % their subscriptions, and some % of other material exposure. Preferably excluding that MartolioTimberschnoop.

However, I would prefer SaidIt discourage the group-think disasters that Reddit and Voat have been turned into. Remaining a "moderate" platform will probably require some degree of intentionally biasing certain subs and topics, etc.. Otherwise, some groups will feel alienated and leave prematurely. Creating an echo chamber.

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Otherwise, some groups will feel alienated and leave prematurely.

That's what's currently happening, btw. Tone down the conspiracy stuff! Whether or not they're out to get you, US corruption isn't affecting everyone else in the world (and very little else is being discussed).

I've got close on occasion, actually; I still kind of feel like an outsider. Your % system is a PERFECT compromise between alienation and exposure. Maybe even make that percentage a preference.

Edit: Or, better still, let people add a "weight" to their subscribed list (a multiplier of the points score when ordering) where unsubscribed is 1 and subscribed is 5-by-default or something. Much harder to implement, but would be better.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Obviously you haven't been reading enough conspiracy stuff.

The corruption isn't just in the USA and the corruption IS affecting everyone else in the world, as it has always done throughout history. The US just happens to be the rusting giant killer robot of the Zionist Globalist Corporatocracy Illuminati.

World War 3 doesn't look like your grandparent's world war. It started with 9/11 and they keep ratcheting it up and it's not going to stop any time soon. I think we're in for a huge financial crash this year, likely Sept-Oct, give or take a few months. If we don't I'll eat my tinfoil hat and start preparing for an even worse crash. The longer they hold off with the Presidential Plunge Protection Team, the harder it's going to hit and destroy soooooooooooo many lives and likely cascade into some kind of marshal law or civil class war. The oligarchs are moving across the oceans.

What kind of content do you feel is under represented?

[–]wizzwizz4 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Anything else.

Hacker stuff. Jokes. People debating the relative importance of various types of cheese in a four cheese pizza. Art critics. Authors sharing stories.

The corruption isn't just in the USA

I know. And apart from the Yellow Vest stuff in France, I've heard nothing that isn't US-related. It's just about the US and who they're trying to kill. It's not interesting any more. Quite frankly, there's enough corruption without bringing up topics that can easily be warped into strawmen.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

How about the violent Buddhist monks? I don't think the US is deep in that.

Decentralizing is my hacking stuff, theoretical until I make it happen.

It does get tiresome sometimes. That's why I can't do just one thing. Or just sit and read or watch. I prefer to be active.

My #1 project is a story, that I will storyboard to publish as both a graphic novel and a screenplay, to be open sourced to potentially be picked up and made into a feature. I was thinking about eventually publishing a chapter at a time on Steemit to earn some coins. But I have so much refining to do. I've already got rough notes enough to fill half a dozen fat novels. I'm thinking of putting all of that development stuff aside and starting fresh just from memory. I like reading and word craft but I've not honed any writing skills and no matter how I imagine trying to capture it with words it's like drinking from a firehose. Way too much. If I could figure out how to spill and craft and develop it with feedback here on SaidIt I'd seriously consider it. Because I can't, I'll work on my #2 project.

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

We need a /s/WritingPrompts.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I don't know what that is or what you mean exactly but I'll subscribe!

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

See the subreddit for an explanation.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not what I thought it was. I'm not interested in riffing on a theme or whatever.

I need a kick in the pants or a carrot to "prompt" me into writing. If there's no demand I don't feel compelled to perform.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Your % system is a PERFECT compromise between alienation and exposure. Maybe even make that percentage a preference.

As intended. And good idea.

Edit: Or, better still, let people add a "weight" to their subscribed list (a multiplier of the points score when ordering) where unsubscribed is 1 and subscribed is 5-by-default or something. Much harder to implement, but would be better.

Also, a great suggestion.

Edit: Also, no one noticed how the conspiracy put the total at 105% (it's a conspiracy ;-).

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

105% wouldn't really matter; it'd be effectively denormalised by the ranking system anyway.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

105% is also impossible.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I take it you've never had to deal with computer systems before, then? :-p

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The total may increase, but 100% is the sum of any total. You can have an increase WRT a previous, or subsequent figure.

The total in the present has to add up to 1.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Having all of the point scores 1.05 times as high as they should be won't affect the ranking.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

105% is also impossible.

Or is it? :P

While I don't agree with imposing diversity on folks, I do like these ideas you've put forth as an option.

However, if you can't even get people to capitalize things, categorize their posts, flag rather than vote (my bad), and other things that require disciplined human sorting into the system, not counting all the newbies with no clue, how are you going to get any kind of accurate "weighting" system in place.

Chaos in = Chaos out.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

However, if you can't even get people to capitalize things, categorize their posts, flag rather than vote (my bad), and other things that require disciplined human sorting into the system, not counting all the newbies with no clue, how are you going to get any kind of accurate "weighting" system in place.

I could do it. That shit is easy.

Eeeeeeeaaaaaasssssyyyy!.

E Z.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

No worries. You can be the new dictator. I trust you. I trust you to herd all the cats. Get them to be disciplined, capitalizing and categorizing, and shape this ship up.

Then I'll let you do the weighting system.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why not leave it 100% up to them? As now.

There are other ways to battle group think. The debate pyramid is key.

What kind of intentional biasing? Examples?

There's only one area I feel really stunted with on SaidIt. It's the 1 sub/week thing (and chaotic classifications). I have a Subs Wishlist (any I've missed?), though most of them wouldn't be necessary with an adequate overarching sub (ie. "Crime" covers all sorts, and "MindControl" and "RulingClass" will too), or until a significant posting pattern develops (ie. USIsrael) or when there is way more traffic.

What subs or topics do you find lacking?

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Including fringe communities which have been evidenced to push people away due to being objectionable at a low percentage could be really good for not giving people a bad impression of the site while also still allowing them to see what is posted there occasionally, should objectionable posts become enough of a problem. I would be pretty fine with this if a sub I posted to was turning people away.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Um, I'm not sure what you mean.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As long as we worship abide by the great Debate Pyramid, there should be nothing objectionable.

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Very true; I tried to think of objectionable content, then realised it would violate the pyramid anyway…

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent. Let's talk about your mama...