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[–]BISH 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Who gets to decide who is breaking the rules, and who gets a strike?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I've suggested many times before that SaidIt needs a Trusted Team while also being open to public input. To be fair, M7 and others have said that if you had a dedicated sub for holding trials it would become mud slinging chaos. I don't believe that is true at all. Sure you would have some regular mudslingers, some others on occasion, as well as anon alts attempting to skew things, but patterns would emerge and you could take opinions with a grain of source.

However, that's for SaidIt.
This is for the civil invite-only forum...

If everyone is already invited for their civility there shouldn't be much of a problem. People could state their views of support or objection (or abstain to avoid drama and timesuck) and collectively we'd reach some conclusions.

How are the conclusions to be arrived at? To be determined by the community. For example there are different ways to decide on an action: 1) >50% votes wins, 2) >66% votes wins, 3) other specified percentages, 4) 100% consensus. Another question: How many of the community would need to weigh in? Perhaps there are other ways besides voting.

Maybe just a smaller Trusted Team or Community Council or Steering Committee would be satisfactory to everyone for all the decision making - IMO as long as it's all 100% open (transparent and anyone can have input if they aren't in the core). The point is that everyone should want to be civil (however we define this) and not want to bother the community with custodial matters.

By starting with exemplary civilized folks there won't be "offences", thereafter they would collectively decide how to invite people (ie. vote for or against individuals, groups, or lists up for consideration for a time period (as was done at my parents' yacht club for new memberships)), and the community may in time widen the recruitment to involve less-reserved folks. Ideally this would be slowly rolled out as the guidelines are built up over time with behavioural examples to emulate or avoid.

Thanks for the good question.
Getting this discussion going was the purpose of this post.

[–]BISH 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I've suggested many times before that SaidIt needs a Trusted Team

I just so happen to be a "Trusted_Team".

[–]Trusted_Team 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Checking in.

[–]BISH 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

What up Playboy?!

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hired!

[–]BISH 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

😁

[–]Musky 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't, just be happy with what it is.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I prefer to strive for better.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I suggest creating /s/TrueSaidIt to better gauge and generate interest. Commenting this for readers, OP has heard it before.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed. I linked to that sub, and the OP, but I regret that I neglected to give you credit as was due. Thanks again. I have yet to check out that sub, or their rules in depth, but at first glance I really liked the sidebox stuff. Weird I'd not heard of it before.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So I had a few ideas I've been thinking about for a while:

Chat

Wondering if a chat could be embedded in Lemmy and if it could piggyback on The Lounge? More importantly, would anyone even care to use it? I don't think the civil forum would care, as few if any of them use it now. But not just for the civil forum, but for other SaidItors that might want a chat nested in a frame on their site. Or maybe after a Movim instance is up (with forum and chat) folks could utilize that too. Chat is not a priority for me, as we already have one.

Placeholder.

Might have been something about discipline and consequences. Was on the tip of my brain, but the harder I look the more elusive it slips. I forget now. Damn.

Tags

As I understand it, Lemmy does not have subs or metatags. Simple enough if you just make a comment including all the hashtags you like. The OP and the OP comment with hashtags would match names so you could sort for that if it needed distinguishing because the community could also add hashtags too - and even cancel or correct them.

Why stop there? Tag it #Video, #YouTube, #Length5:42, #1080p, #2023-09-11, etc. And I could create a graphic akin to the Pyramid Of Debate, but with a grid of 25 options to "vote" on or label the content using my MetaVote idea. No need for vote ranking with these variables and more (topics), useful for statistics we can use for our own purposes. With a good search engine with useful features you could do research and/or sort content as you see fit.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Extremely accurate.
Unless it's a creative social freedom project.

[–]BISH 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

" The biggest hurdle to SaidIt being civil again..."

Who is this quote from?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I was quoting myself from the link I provided.

[–]BISH 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

"Who is this quote from?"
-Bad Ass BISH

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't get it.

[–]Megatron95 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Jason, I like the fact that you give a shit, but as far as Saidit goes, you're beating a dead horse.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

But it's not about this horse. It's about defining the next one.

What would you rather see done or have a say in?

[–]Megatron95 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

A platform for Canadians to organize and voice their grievances to the incumbent government.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yes! Among other things too.

And, to the point of this post - how would you organize it?
Or how would you modify, change, or build on what I've laid out?

[–]Megatron95 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The thing is I like Saidit's format and interface so creating something similar would make for a nicer user experience. Id' like more Canadian-related issues being discussed and a less apathetic user base. It's hard to filter out the shills though. Anyway, there's too much scapegoating and shit-posting on this site for me to be meaningfully engaged in it. A Canadian alternative or a backup solution for Saidit would be nice but I haven't seen anything concrete materialize and I'm not sure in what capacity I could contribute.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

  • format and interface - agreed. Lemmy is similar
  • more Canadian-related issues being discussed - agreed. With a more selective community my Windsor and wider folks would not feel alienated.
  • less apathetic user base - couldn't agree more. Again my Windsor+ communities are active.
  • It's hard to filter out the shills though. - If they're shills on SaidIt they won't be invited.
  • too much scapegoating and shit-posting on this site for me to be meaningfully engaged in it - my point exactly
  • Canadian alternative - Yes! Other regional focused instances could come up later too. Decentralized means not all in one spot.
  • I'm not sure in what capacity I could contribute. - Moral support and participation is the first thing. Eventually you might throw funding or even host an instance. More instances means it would be harder for them to stomp.

[–]Megatron95 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

As much as shills annoy me I don't like the idea of it being on an invitation-basis only. If you want this to be a concerted effort where the more voices are heard, the greater the reach, making this a private club defeats the purpose.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's not meant to be a private club. I'm not a fan of invite-only either. However, I'm tired of filtering by hand and wasting time on nonsense. Further, the A.I., bots, shills, and trolls will indeed get worse as their tech improves. The only thing we have is established character to reference.

Initially it won't be about more voices, but establishing a baseline civil community, the rules, and how it's self-managed - all via trusted members. I firmly believe this open civil community would inherently be valuable to everyone who appreciates rational discourse rather than insults, nonsense, and timesuck. Assuming it doesn't die before birth, I suspect it will grow organically along with a self-organized PR team. Naturally, in time the community can grow as more folks are invited. Perhaps in time the invite-only idea can be dropped and it can become open to all, self-managed and maintained via the foundational constitution, including behaving well.

Ideally it shouldn't be fully private. It would still be visible to all. Importantly with a tool or few coded we would also share mirror posts and comments on other platforms (ie. SaidIt, Reddit, Lemmy, Twitter, Gab, etc.) so folks would still see the OP's content, even if the OP might not view all the comments on other platforms. IMO the civil conversations should also be mirrored on other platforms if possible. The goals is more reach with less noisy feedback.

[–]Megatron95 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hopefully it comes to fruition sooner than later. Bill C-11 and its ramifications are looming.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Why would you want this white power board for antisemitc hatred and q-adjacent nonsense to succeed.

Why don't you spend like 20 minutes asking chatgpt how to host and deploy a reddit clone, and then drive some traffic to it. Then you'll have a dipshit website which truly and perfectly reflects all of your bigotry and false beliefs

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't care if folks want to discuss unpleasant ideas and ideologies if they want to present them rationally and respectfully. They might even change my mind, your mind, or vice versa.

Employing ChatGPT to set things up is not a bad idea. But if/when it goes sideways I don't know if ChatGPT will suffice. Regardless, this isn't about the set up. This is about developing a decentralize-able resilient self-reliant community self-governance system.

It's not about generating traffic either, as that brings bots, spam, trolls, etc.

By claiming I'm a bigot with false beliefs is 1) disrespectful, 2) ignorant of what I'm about, 3) actually false, and 4) the kind of shit I aim to filter out. You still have time to improve.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

He's too busy dressing up in a Santa outfit and taking pictures in front of ambulances and pretending he's a hero while EMTs try desperately out of frame to save the car crash victim whose will to live is being sapped by the surreal psychological horror scene of this fat fuck using his death as a photo op.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Is that really the worst you can do?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That is the most abhorrent thing I've ever seen you do (meaning it best reflects your character), but breaking into your landlord's place to get to the fuse box to revive your server with 0 traffic was pretty funny in a more lighthearted way.

u/Site_rly_sux probably thinks I'm joking but I'm not.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Twisting things into absurdity that no longer resemble reality - as usual.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm rather lost, are you recounting actual events from Jason's history?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Through his extremely distorted and often fictitious lens.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. He even posted the Santa pictures. Jason Carswell is his real name. Absolute maniac. He doesn't have a job to worry about losing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

get a life

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That doesn't mean anything - especially from you, /u/usehername.