Our first DMCA notice, shutting down /s/cricket

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

rip, obvious copyright troll is obvious. whats next, is the fcc or some random antifa cb clowns gonna dmca saidit over my few videogates posted here? rofl

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's not a troll if our server company is threatening to shut down our servers. It's as real as it gets.

[–]brickfrog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's still possible that it's just a troll, but realistically the distinction between legit vs fake DMCA does not matter if the server company itself deems it actionable. So you are correct, you do need to respond in some form otherwise the server company makes the decision for you.

I don't know if shutting down the entire sub is the correct response but it certainly fixes the issue in the short term.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's still possible that it's just a troll, but realistically the distinction between legit vs fake DMCA does not matter if the server company itself deems it actionable.

Yes exactly. And I don't know what our server company's vetting process is for DMCA requests, but I imagine they've seen their fair share of DMCA trolls if they run a huge server farm. So if they've decided it's real, and are willing to shut us down as a paying customer over that, they've obviously not made the decision lightly. I'm not very keen on trying to dispute that, and everything that may entail.

I didn't shut down the sub, I made it private and deleted everything in it, instead of just outright banning it. I tried my best. I don't know what else I can do. I had to take action on all 20 of those links and then write a report back to them explaining how I took action to resolve the issue. All 20 were in the same sub, that sub posts streams all day... what else could I have done that would've been better? Seriously, I'm asking...

All in all, it's a reasonable request that we can't really legally dispute, and thus we have no option with our current hosting situation in Dallas but to remove the offending content. I did it in the lightest way I could think of but that shows we had addressed the problem in full. I had to take action or else the entire rest of the site was in jeopardy.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

lol, no, im not talkin about your company, your company relayed the dmca, from what i understand, lol.

the cricket clowncil that it came from, lol.

these are the days where you pretty much gotta physically own your server, not rent one from some company, cause they wont defend you, they'll throw you under the bus, just like yours was itchin to do.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yeah, I see what you mean. But from our perspective, our server company is going to act the same, so I'm not sure how we could react differently in these moments with the 96 hour shutdown timer ticking in the background. This is the type of thing that'd be nice to change over to a crowd-distributed server model

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

yea true, they are gonna act the same, they'll protect themselves over the consumer.

im guessing you mean some sort of decentralised hosting solution by crowd distributed server model, yea, that would be pretty good, best bet is to actually look around ebay and find a good server with atleast 16 gb's of ram, the cpu's might be a decade old, but they can still throw the punches. lol

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I can run a server. That's not the problem.

Distributed servers means the legal responsibility is not placed on one person. As it is, the server can get shut down by the server company. If I run my own server, I can go to jail and they can trace my IP, if I do not shut down the things in the DMCA request.

Distributed computing however means that no one is tied to the server, as there is no single server or single owner, but instead dozens or hundreds. That changes the legal dynamics considerably. But the software for making this happen may or may not even exist yet and is extremely complex. It's right on the edge of being doable.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

they can try, but the tech is there that you can use to officially move saidit underground so to speak, using cjdns ;)

they cant attack what they cant see.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting suggestion, that's a new one. I'll read more about it

Moving to switzerland might help us get less DMCA notices, but we'll see what happens

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ah, we arent on the swiss server yet? i thought we were, lol.

but yea, cjdns uses ipv6 tunneling to form a private network. you can even use it to create a WISP if you have a router that supports openwrt :)

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, haha. We're almost there, we've got the parallel copy running on the swiss server but it's not hooked up to a URL yet. We'll make an announcement.

Interesting :)