Saidit is worse than reddit with censorship.

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[–]Troll[S] 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The irony of someone who supports physical_removal, crying about having their sub removed.

However, I am for free speech. I'm just at the understanding that the left isn't someone you debate with, like how you don't debate someone trying to kill you. You don't debate ISIS on why what they're doing is wrong, because they don't care.

Pretty certain I never said anything like that.

Or close enough. You certainly didn't want to talk about it (and made some other statement very much against the Holy Pyramid of Debate).

Physical removal is removed for advocating violence ("Let's throw gays and communists out of helicopters, so to speak." being a central meme)

Physical_Removal was for the legalization of State actions against treasonous and dangerous people in this country. And, no, gays were not anybody we focused on other than the weirdos who dress in S&M in public and such.

Anyways, Communists are not people.

and coontown is also removed for advocating violence. ("Black people are just the worst and shouldn't exist, and we should probably hang them" being a central meme)

Coontown had excellent policies against calls to violence, and this was admitted by two CEOs of reddit. Furthermore, it was not against the existence of all blacks. We even had a few blacks who agreed with us, and many of us were Thomas Sowell fans.

You seem more upset you can't set up little mod fiefdoms than you actually are upset about your information being limited.

I am upset that my information is being limited. Physical Removal, IMO, is the most important cause one can undertake in today's society. Coontown was good old fashioned trollish racism and crime statistics/stories.

We have banned 5 subs in 16 months, so this idea it's "worse than reddit" in terms of censorship is just laughable.

Of all the subreddits you have banned with political purposes, how many were leftists?

ShitRedditSays, for example, certainly ruined more lives than Coontown did. /r/Anarchism has called for violence plenty of times, including telling people to bring firecrackers to "protests" which actually did happen the following day. FuckTheAltRight is full of calls to violence.

We have banned 5 subs in 16 months, so this idea it's "worse than reddit" in terms of censorship is just laughable.

Of those 16 months, very few of those had any worthwhile traffic to speak of, and they were banned for reasons obviously untrue as stated previously.

[–]happysmash27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

About /r/Anarchism, I believe /s/Anarchism is actually a private sub on this site, so I wouldn't say it's supported too much as a group (rather than an ideology, which itself often does not advocate for violence. The group though, can be pretty bad. )

On to some other points:

I'm just at the understanding that the left isn't someone you debate with, like how you don't debate someone trying to kill you. You don't debate ISIS on why what they're doing is wrong, because they don't care.

Why? I, as a very open-minded, independant-thinking leftist, am very welcoming of debate. Maybe some leftists might be crazy, but usually, any group comprises much more than crazy strawmen, even if some crazy strawmen exist.

You certainly didn't want to talk about it (and made some other statement very much against the Holy Pyramid of Debate).

I agree, that this probably was not a very good action in terms of the pyramid.

Anyways, Communists are not people.

Some definitions:

communist: n1. An advocate of a society based on the common ownership of property; a proponent of communism.

advocate: n3. A person who speaks in support of something. 

By definition, communists are people, no matter how harmful certain communists may be.

This type of thinking is really against the spirit of SaidIt in my opinion, which tends to promote understanding between people with different viewpoints. Please remember to be open-minded (this goes for everyone reading this)!

Coontown had excellent policies against calls to violence, and this was admitted by two CEOs of reddit. Furthermore, it was not against the existence of all blacks. We even had a few blacks who agreed with us, and many of us were Thomas Sowell fans.

This is a potentially good point, and should be discussed further with more evidence.

[–]Troll[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My main point there was that coontown and physicalremoval got punished for behavior that was said to have happened at reddit, and behavior that did not happen at all.

Why? I, as a very open-minded, independant-thinking leftist, am very welcoming of debate. Maybe some leftists might be crazy, but usually, any group comprises much more than crazy strawmen, even if some crazy strawmen exist.

You're a liberal, I wouldn't necessary call you a leftist per se. It's semantics, I know, but a liberal is someone who, in my eyes, is not a true believer but just believes what they do because it's what society does. If you were born 700 years ago monarchy would have been normal and democracy would have been horrific (which should be the case today, IMO).

Some definitions:

I'm aware of what the formal definitions are, but I've viewed communism as having evolved, especially considering cultural marxism.

I don't consider leftists to be people because they don't believe in agency and seem to have none, the NPC meme I felt was very spot-on.

[–]happysmash27 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're a liberal, I wouldn't necessary call you a leftist per se. It's semantics, I know, but a liberal is someone who, in my eyes, is not a true believer but just believes what they do because it's what society does. If you were born 700 years ago monarchy would have been normal and democracy would have been horrific (which should be the case today, IMO).

Ayy, no! I don't like what society does at all! I'm not even close to that!

At one point, I independently came up with the idea of giving things away for free, like in the free software movement, but in real life. Apparently, this coincided with "Anarcho-Communism". Before this, I thought that "communist" meant "evil dictatorship", as I was going with society, but now, I don't.

I don't even go with the herd on "communist" subs, because both /r/Communism and /r/Anarchism have rejected me to say the least…

I'm aware of what the formal definitions are, but I've viewed communism as having evolved, especially considering cultural marxism.

Definitions of these annoy me a lot. I should be called communist, but the fact is that my ideas come from free culture and freedom of speech rather than the ideology: Copyright makes illegal numbers, and that is silly and violates freedom of speech; Copyright is how many artists make money and making money is how most artists get food; the farmers demand money because they must pay bills, one notable one being property tax to the government, which is the only thing one really needs to pay, at a base level, to get food and resources; therefore, property tax is the reason for copyright, as well as enslaving people to the government and the existing "capitalist" economy, violating an individual's right to self-determination. Basically, people demand money, but why do we even need money? Why not just give for free, not worrying about all this accounting? One very big obstacle is, again, property tax. There may be more obstacles, but to fully explain this and clarify what I am saying (at the moment I am dissatisfied with the amount of articulation in my explanation of my ideology), it would take a very long time and many, many re-writes. One thing I didn't address in this paragraph, for example, is potential resource scarcity.

I don't consider leftists to be people because they don't believe in agency and seem to have none, the NPC meme I felt was very spot-on.

Ah, but I, as a leftist, do believe in free agency, very very strongly. Perhaps that is why so many leftists like banning me despite being leftist myself; I was banned from /r/Communism for posting about Anarkikomunismolando, and banned from /r/Anarchism for believing in free speech for everyone including fascists and for my opinions regarding child pornography which are very complicated (too complicated to explain right now at least), but over-simplified by them into "raping children is fine", which I do not believe. I think this distortion was a part of some kind of Delphi Technique they were doing, possibly to make me look worse for my other opinion.

In short: my ideology is quite a lot different from what society does, and is, unfortunately, very hard to explain due to how different it is.