Issue regarding the pornographic rule

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[–]HorseMeat[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

Maybe a central hub for exchange of opinions and information, not content of any sort.

There's a few subs not related to either of those things. That's sort-of why I didn't think it would be such a big deal to expand the central hub.

The first impression of the site is that it's trying to be Reddit in the good old days, which surprisingly enough included more than just information & opinions. Of course, I learned today that this is not the case and that the site has other visions in mind.

If by adult content you mean naked people dying, the fact that they are naked is not the reason why they are featured on the sub.

Dying in video or image form is generally considered adult content without them being naked. The rating boards increase the age limit of media when death is clearly visible.

You can't be purely reactionary, though. Some subreddits should be be banned, it's not strictly a bad thing.

Depends on where you draw the line. I always thought it was preferable for the sub creator (sub moderator) to have full control over their community. Sure, there will be subs which have debatable views by most peoples' standards, but it's nice to let them have their place as long it's self contained within the sub.

How would you say that porn could give rise to good debate and conversation?

I'm enjoying the debate about porn right now. You can have a good conversation/debate about anything if you try hard enough.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

The first impression of the site is that it's trying to be Reddit in the good old days, which surprisingly enough included more than just information & opinions.

reddit whored itself out, pretending to be social visionaries that they obviously are not, in order to beat Digg, and they succeeded, and now they are paying the price for having pulled a colossal bait and switch.

Dying in video or image form is generally considered adult content without them being naked. The rating boards increase the age limit of media when death is clearly visible.

Well the rule is "porn", and not "adult", technically.

I always thought it was preferable for the sub creator (sub moderator) to have full control over their community.

The problem with, say, a white supremecist subreddit has nothing to do with self policing. It's about the premise of the community itself.

I'm enjoying the debate about porn right now. You can have a good conversation/debate about anything if you try hard enough.

Sure, but unloading a collection of porn pics is not the same as having a debate about porn.

[–]HorseMeat[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

reddit whored itself out, pretending to be social visionaries that they obviously are not, in order to beat Digg, and they succeeded, and now they are paying the price for having pulled a colossal bait and switch.

At least you got some good years without much in terms of censorship.

Well the rule is "porn", and not "adult", technically.

Yeah okay. You could however add a twist and call it gore porn. :-p (Obviously joking here)

It has nothing to do with self policing. The problem with, say, a white supremecist subreddit has nothing to do with self policing. It's about the premise of the community itself.

The line is the biggest problem in this regard. If we were truly one for no censorship we would allow these types of subs even if we don't encourage or support them in any way.

Sure, but unloading a collection of porn pics is not the same as having a debate about porn.

Ooh! If you love the human form, you can discuss the unique features of any part of the person's body. :3

[–]Zombi 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I personally don't see much of a problem with porn, but lets be real here:

Ooh! If you love the human form, you can discuss the unique features of any part of the person's body. :3

We ALL know this is bullshit. There's no actual discussion within porn; at least none that is thought provoking. You're masturbating, not writing up a lecture I mean come on now.

Are there thought provoking discussions about porn? Sure, but I've NEVER seen an actual well thought out debate on gonewild or pornhub or any blatant pornographic site/sub.

Lets not act as if the creepy guy talking about a chicks ass is trying to start an open discussion on the female body. Can't make much of an argument when you're stroking your dick with one hand and typing with the other.

[–]HorseMeat[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There's no discussion if you let your paranoia believe you are being a creep for admiring the human form. If you have been on pro nudist sites, you can see that actual discussions can be had with pictures involved. Nudity is how you choose to perceive it. Even casual nudity with no sexy poses is seen as pornography to most. It's still a very taboo subject in most countries.

[–]Zombi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Pro nudist sites, sure. We're not talking about nudist sites here, we're talking about porn. Again, lets be real. You go to pornhub and you sincerely believe it's the same display of nudity as a nudist colony? You really think they're the same at all? We're talking about pornography not nudity in general.

[–]HorseMeat[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You can certainly find nudist stuff on PornHub. To most people, they are considered the same thing. Of course you know the differences, so I shouldn't bother with that card.

To be completely honest, I never expected so much discussion over porn on this site. I would have thought there would be one or two people expressing their thoughts, and then it would quickly die off. It's interesting that most are in collective agreement here against porn. It really does show that the site has set visions in mind even early on in its lifespan.

[–]Zombi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well I'm not against porn per-se. I just think the reasoning of "it brings about novel discussions" is a bit bullshit lol. It's to jerk off too and NEVER in my life have I walked away from a porn sub/site and thought "Wow, I really had a thought provoking discussion there." I've always walked away satisfied and ready for bed, though.

There isn't a "no nudity" rule, there's just a no porn rule. You want to discuss the human body and it's nude glory? I don't think magnora7 would be against it.

You want to post a chick getting DP'd in "Big Black Cocks 5"? Yeah, I don't think that will lead to any kind of meaningful discussion. This is a site that's set on meaningful/dense encounters with thought put into those discussions.

Again, I just wanna say I have no problem with porn. I watch it all the time; love the stuff. I just think it goes against the goal of the site and doesn't spawn much meaningful discussion beyond "nice tits".

[–]HorseMeat[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well I'm not against porn per-se. I just think the reasoning of "it brings about novel discussions" is a bit bullshit lol. It's to jerk off too and NEVER in my life have I walked away from a porn sub/site and thought "Wow, I really had a thought provoking discussion there." I've always walked away satisfied and ready for bed, though.

Never in your life?! :o Boy, you don't know what you missing out on.

There isn't a "no nudity" rule, there's just a no porn rule. You want to discuss the human body and it's nude glory? I don't think magnora7 would be against it.

Yeah, someone mentioned that some of the WPD deaths involved nudity. I guess I should keep that in mind. I'm not sure if it's useful or not.

You want to post a chick getting DP'd in "Big Black Cocks 5"? Yeah, I don't think that will lead to any kind of meaningful discussion. This is a site that's set on meaningful/dense encounters with thought put into those discussions.

It's like discussing your favorite TV show or movie when you think about it. :-p

Again, I just wanna say I have no problem with porn. I watch it all the time, love the stuff. I just think it goes against the goal of the site and doesn't spawn much meaningful discussion beyond "nice tits".

That's fine, I get it. It's been drilled into my head at this point.

[–]Zombi 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you see my point lol. If there was some actual discussion to be gained from porn then I'd be with you, but we can have many discussions about porn without it being on the site (this thread is a brilliant example of that). It's just not worth the risk/effort for how little it would actually contribute to the site's goals.

[–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

At least you got some good years without much in terms of censorship.

It will happen with any site that becomes large enough to where its owners could live off the ad revenue.

The line is the biggest problem in this regard. If we were truly one for no censorship we would allow these types of subs even if we don't encourage or support them in any way.

It's not about censorship, it's about a website's owners not wanting to materially support bad people.

Ooh! If you love the human form, you can discuss the unique features of any part of the person's body. :3

We know how this plays out, comments like "I'd hit that", "nice tits on this one", the sort of commentary you find on sites like liveleak.

[–]HorseMeat[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It will happen with any site that becomes large enough to where its owners could live off the ad revenue.

An unfortunate truth. :/

It's not about censorship, it's about a website's owners not wanting to materially support bad people.

I'm not going to argue with that. I was just expressing my view on where I draw the line. It's obviously very different for everybody. I think you, me, and the owners would all draw the line at different places.

We know how this plays out, comments like "I'd hit that", "nice tits on this one", I guess the problem is not enough disagreement would be had.

Hehe. Nothing wrong with everyone being in agreement for a change.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think you, me, and the owners would all draw the line at different places.

Ultimately it bends to Western values. WPD was only banned because a mainstream paper put it under the spotlight. Sometime WPD 2.0 might be under a similar spot light, and the owners of this site will suddenly find Jesus.

Hehe. Nothing wrong with everyone being in agreement for a change.

I think an unspoken goal of sites like this is that there are problems and we want to fix them, and to say we want to debate is to really say we want to hammer out issues, and at the end of the day, the acquisition of porn is not a problem that needs fixing.

[–]HorseMeat[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ultimately it bends to Western values. WPD was only banned because a mainstream paper put it under the spotlight. Sometime WPD 2.0 might be under a similar spot light, and the owners of this site will suddenly find Jesus.

It gets slightly more confusing once you consider that Braincels & The Donald are still around. I don't believe for a second that those haven't received some attention from the media.

I think an unspoken goal of sites like this is that there are problems and we want to fix them, and that's where the debate comes from, and at the end of the day, the acquisition of porn is not a problem that needs fixing.

Might become a problem in the future. Countries all seem to want a slice of the pie.

[–]HopeThatHalps 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It gets slightly more confusing once you consider that Braincels & The Donald are still around. I don't believe for a second that those haven't received some attention from the media.

Supporting Donald Trump isn't considered tasteless, at least not yet.

As a participant in WPD, I understand that people think it's tasteless, and while I think I can make the case that it is not, nobody is going to listen to it, so we're at an impasse, and on living on saidit.

[–]HorseMeat[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Supporting Donald Trump isn't considered tasteless, at least not yet.

Controversy has happened a few times in the media, due to how some supporters act on The Donald. Reddit weirdly doesn't seem to care, instead they look for other subs to ban.

As a participant in WPD, I understand that people think it's tasteless, and while I think I can make the case that it is not, nobody is going to listen to it, so we're at an impasse, and on living on saidit.

Yup, it's human nature. When somebody has strong beliefs on something, it can be difficult if not impossible to change their view on the subject matter.

[–]HopeThatHalps 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Controversy has happened a few times in the media, due to how some supporters act on The Donald. Reddit weirdly doesn't seem to care, instead they look for other subs to ban.

It still absolutely no surprised to me why WPD was killed off before T_D.

Yup, it's human nature. When somebody has strong beliefs on something, it can be difficult if not impossible to change their view on the subject matter.

It's interesting if you think about the consequence of that fact, it means that people dont have freedom of thought, they give up that freedom in order to "fit in" and "to be a true _____" . There was a Joe Rogan w/ Adam Conover (Adam Ruins Everything) podcast the other day where you could see this in full effect, and it was very sad. It was obvious his reasoning was purely in the service of SJW prerogatives, and not intelectual honesty, or even common sense for that matter, and yet this guy hosts a show predicated on facts and truth. Quite incredible.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are enough dedicated sites. Saidit doesn't need to be one.