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[–]wizzwizz4[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yes. If you don't want people to comment on things you post, don't show the things to them in the first place.

It's a bad solution, but better than keeping it on /s/all and still censoring it.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That interesting.

You seem to assume that censorship is a valid and ethical option.

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This argument proves too much.

If not showing things to people is censorship, and censorship is unethical, then that means that any privacy of any kind is unethical – which it obviously isn't.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If not showing things to people is censorship, and censorship is unethical, then that means that any privacy of any kind is unethical – which it obviously isn't.

Wrong. Censorship is the supression of information.

Everything submitted to SaidIt is voluntarily added to the community by the individual who submitted it. The same principle applies to submitted comments.

This has nothing to do with privacy.

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Wrong.

Exactly my point. Your argument, when applied to something else, doesn't apply.

This has nothing to do with privacy.

Since your argument proves too much, it can be applied to anything, even privacy, and result in an outcome that you disagree with. I'm trying to show you the flaw in your cognition, as I expect you to show me the many, many flaws in mine instead of calling me names.

Everything submitted to Saidit is voluntarily added to the community by the individual who submitted it.

Yes, I agree. So I should be permitted to say bad stuff about something "fun".

However, if a person is insistent that I shouldn't be permitted to say bad stuff about their content in their sub, they should not put their sub in /s/all; instead of telling me not to criticise their "fun and games" that they're showing me, they should instead not show it to me. It's not censorship if you're willingly, without fear of retribution otherwise, "censoring" your own content.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Since your argument proves too much

What does this even mean? How can anything be proven "too much"?

The synonym for "proves to much" is irrefutable.

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No. "This argument proves too much" means "this argument proves too many things". We can both agree that the government shouldn't limit people's speech, can't we? (For the sake of argument, at least, let's assume that this is right.) But can I say "the government shouldn't limit people's speech because speech allows people to express themselves, and things that allow people to express themselves shouldn't be limited"?

No, I can't, in case you were wondering. We agree that murder is bad? Well, by this same argument, "the government shouldn't limit people's ability to murder because murder allows people to express themselves (e.g. their anger towards others), and things that allow people to express themselves shouldn't be limited." This argument proves too much; it proves too many things. It proves things that are right, and things that are wrong.

"This argument proves too much" is a handy way of explaining why an argument is wrong, without getting into complicated details that just sound pedantic (e.g. "false premise"). If you like, I can spend hours explaining the specific problems with your argument, but "this argument proves too much" covers them all.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This argument proves too much; it proves too many things. It proves things that are right, and things that are wrong.

This response is an indictment of your credibility. You have none.

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You don't understand my argument then. Perhaps you might like to point out the most nonsensical part, so I can try to explain it better; perhaps then I'll see the mistake that's so obvious to you.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Shill rehab.