PSA: Our site culture is dropping.

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[–]magnora7 30 insightful - 3 fun30 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Thanks wizzwizz.

I appreciate you all who are being real and honest and well-spoken, and responding to the real core of what your debate "opponent" is saying when you get in a disagreement.

I've already seen some great debates happening on saidit where all the different sides of an argument were being stated very clearly and articulately, and it's amazing how much I can quickly learn! This is what saidit is for.

Sometimes we'll get steamed when we disagree with someone, but only engaging with the highest-quality arguments makes the culture of mud-slinging just naturally die out from people simply ignoring it because we know it's not worth our time.

It's a subtle thing to truly grasp, but I see lots and lots of people on saidit who "get it" and I'm proud of the community we've all built so far.

[–]HeyImSancho 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

I like to walk away from the computer. It gives me time to think about any post that for whatever reason I may not comprehend what was said, and how to respond.

Even a flaming post, a crap post designed to do nothing, but cause noise can be productive once viewed properly.

Life is an engagement in time, and time goes by fast. We as men, women, children, and people try to make plans on how to use our very important limited time, but whatever god is, he laughs....

I keep crap like that on my mind, and when a post 'steams' me, I just ask why did it, and contemplate to find any response if any.

Rules can be good, and rules can also stifle creativity, and inspiration.

[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I agree, but we cannot have infinite tolerance of crap posts, lest saidit become voat

[–]sawboss 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

lest saidit become voat

You'll know that's happening when the front page is majority antisemitic and white supremacist. If I see that happen, I'll lose interest in SaidIt, because I can already get that at Voat.

[–]Zhohan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was very disappointing trying Voat out to find out it infected the entire website. We need a real alternative to Reddit that is for the people.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've been searching for a Reddit alternative and already this site is looking great.

99% of the other sites are infected with racism and antisemitic speech and memes. I'm just trying to find decent memes and conversations without the racism and leftist bias. Is that too hard to ask?

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah at that point it's probably too late

[–]Shoh4685 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree

[–]Reddit_sucks_dick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

white supremacist

mostly teenage edgelords trying (and succeeding) to trigger lefty snowflakes, lol

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If it's true crap, then we should report, correct? Like:

I agree, but we cannot have infinite tolerance of crap posts

Tolerance! toleRNCE you smell

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah report bad posts and comments, selecting the 'dragging down discussion on the pyramid of debate' option on the window that pops up. That way they're flagged for mods to easily see. They won't always be removed though, it's just a flagging system to help mods and admins spot it quickly, and to give an opinion that you agree it violates the pyramid of debate.

[–]SonnyCrockett 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Voat was compromised by SRS/ChapoTrapHouse types, who deliberately poisoned that well a long time ago.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. But I think even prior to that, when it was changing from whoaverse to voat, it was taken over by Stormfront/white-nationalist types to use it as a tool for their own purposes. It's just a mess on top of a mess.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Me too.

On some occasions I get a strong emotional reaction, whatever that may be. When that happens I find it's often a challenge to find the best words. And while it might be easy to just say whatever, I've found those are the best learning moments to try harder and go deeper to find where and why those emotions came in order to better articulate what's often my own resolution with confidence and peace again. Ultimately it's more on me anyway, and my choice to react or even step away and not react.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

agreed!

[–]313337 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This reminds me... I meant to call you an asshat again yesterday but I lost my will to engage. So today I'm agreeing with you, asshat.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really feel sad for you.

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, yes. Lots of people definitely "get it"; that's why I think it's possible to encourage more to. (Me, for example; I understand it, but still don't "get it".)

[–]sawboss 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

responding to the real core of what your debate "opponent" is saying when you get in a disagreement.

I suck at this. I know that my comments fall into lower tiers of the pyramid more often than I'd like. Can you guess why? (Hint: I don't blame SaidIt!)

I've already seen some great debates happening on saidit where all the different sides of an argument were being stated very clearly and articulately, and it's amazing how much I can quickly learn! This is what saidit is for.

I don't envy your position. As SaidIt grows there will be more, and more people calling for new rules they can weaponize against those who say things they don't want said. I trust SaidIt to do their best to resist the tyrannical impulse, so please don't make me regret that trust.

Sometimes we'll get steamed when we disagree with someone, but only engaging with the highest-quality arguments makes the culture of mud-slinging just naturally die out from people simply ignoring it because we know it's not worth our time.

Plenty of my posts get no votes or comments. Not gonna lie, that's a bit discouraging. As you've implied though, it ought to be my perogative to reel in my own chaotic impulses.