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[–]Wanga 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

I think maybe we need a longer list of social norms/guidelines.

Wikipedia has the strongest, most resilient culture of any major web platform. It gets stronger as everyone else decays. I think part of the reason is that they have a long wiki list of guidelines, so they can say, "You're using weasel words", or whatever specific violation people are using.

The pyramid of debate is fine and dandy, but it's not enough to cover all situations.

[–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Wikipedia sucks ass. They banned me for a year for being "another polite truther". Last week I was trying to add to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitChute and met irrational resistance because they're trying to suppress new freeing technologies like BitChute's Comment Freely app : https://github.com/BitChute/commentfreely

Because it's "not notable". There's a FUCK TONNE on Wikipedia that is not notable.

"Not notable" = weasel words if ever there were.

[–]d3rr 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah not notable is insane, that's as subjective as they come, and it costs like a penny a year to have an extra page.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

If only they were constantly begging for money to support their propaganda campaign, then maybe we could afford some freedom and solutions to include "fringe" and "fancruft".

[–]Wanga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

What's a polite truther?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

Truther: https://infogalactic.com/info/User:JasonCarswell

9/11 was an Anglo-Zionist-Globalist inside and outside international snowjob followed by Athrax to scare everyone into silence. https://steemit.com/september2001/@jasoncarswell/never-forget-sept-2001-six-events-reclaimthenarrative-fightelitesnoteachother

If you act nice and don't let their bullshit bug you (because they'll toss you out) then they call you "polite".

These are old and need updating and major cleaning up:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Truther_(disambiguation) - partly banned

https://infogalactic.com/info/Trutherism

Wikipedia won't allow articles like those or like these:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Pedophocracy

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_acknowledged_pedophilia_elites

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_alleged_pedophilia_elites

https://infogalactic.com/info/Conspirophile

https://infogalactic.com/info/Dynamic_silence

https://infogalactic.com/info/Eating_You_Alive - banned

https://infogalactic.com/info/InterPlanetary_File_System - partly banned

https://infogalactic.com/info/IOTA_(technology) - banned

https://infogalactic.com/info/James_Corbett_(journalist) - banned several times

https://infogalactic.com/info/Joseph_Atwill

https://infogalactic.com/info/Lionel_(radio_personality) - mostly banned

https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt

https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Great_NHS_Heist - banned

https://infogalactic.com/info/Tigole


EDIT: I added "banned" after the ones that were banned from WP. The others I didn't even try.

[–]Wanga 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

wew lad

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

That's 'cause they're written in a very biased way. The IOTA article was just an advert, "list of acknowledged pedophilia elites" I can tell from the title is not written neutrally (despite that being a perfectly understandable stance, it's not the Wikipedia way)…

Wait, they banned the Saidit article? Huh. After reading it, I see why; it's written like an advert:

Within the "subs" members may contribute titled "posts" with text or a link (to a webpage, image, video, etc (now supporting SVGs, BitChute, PeerTube, and DTube[6])).

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I didn't write the IOTA article, I rescued it. Wikipedia didn't even give it a fucking chance.

In the old days a dozen years ago folks would add and help and contribute and build better articles. Now they get slammed down right away - especially if they are suppressed content.

They LIE LIE LIE LIE all day long about politics. The government is SCREWING people left right and center.

And yet every single new tech is suppressed because it MIGHT be a scam.

The Wikipedia was is now BULLSHIT CULTURE.

I can tell from the title is not written neutrally

What's wrong with "List of acknowledged pedophilia elites" and "List of alleged pedophilia elites" ?

These pedo elites have been publicly accused or prosecuted. HOW is that not neutral?

NOTHING on Wikipedia is neutral. The aim is for neutrality but in reality it's impossible.

If you read any other article about any major tech company they will write it like an advert without skepticism and in glowing terms. I did no different with the SaidIt article - except I mentioned things forbidden on Wikipeida - like the tabboos and skepticism stuff.

I never even tried to start a Wikipedia article for SaidIt as they will say it's "not notable'. I never said it was banned, though some of them were, I said "won't allow articles like those".

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The IOTA article was… terrible, to be frank. Back when this was all going down, I wrote an answer on IOTA Stack Exchange about this.:

The IOTA page on Wikipedia was deleted because it wasn't a great Wikipedia article). It was poorly sourced, contained much information that wasn't in the sources given... They just decided to rewrite it from scratch because the article was so terrible. The only arguments in favour of keeping it) seem to be about IOTA's notability. And IOTA is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article... just not that article.

The article has been deleted, but that doesn't mean that Wikipedia has no intention of there being an article about IOTA. Here's the latest draft) of the new article... which isn't much better to be honest. Why can't people just get together and write a decent Wikipedia article about IOTA?! This draft, being practically identical to the original, has been deleted. We'll have to wait a bit for an IOTA article.

And it was terrible, because IOTA people kept coming on and making it spammy, advertising it as something it's not. And Wikipedia gave it another chance, and that was ultimately taken down too.


They LIE LIE LIE LIE all day long about politics.

I'd like to see some of that, actually. I was under the impression that Wikipedia stayed away from politics. Or does the staying away count as lying?


What's wrong with "List of acknowledged pedophilia elites" […]?

What's an "elite"? Why are you using "pedophilia" as an adjective? What's "acknowleged"? "List of high-profile convicted paedophiles" might be a better title for the article.


If you read any other article about any major tech company they will write like an advert without skepticism and in glowing terms.

Like the article on Microsoft which discusses EU fines, government surveillance and hypocrisy, and links to the Criticism of Microsoft article three times? The Apple Inc. article could be better, but even that has several sections of criticism and even (a small) one entitled "Criticism and controversies".

The quality of those articles is significantly, significantly higher than the IOTA one.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I didn't write the IOTA article. I'm not defending it. You missed my point. Wikipedia used to build and improve things. Now they just censor things.


I was under the impression that Wikipedia stayed away from politics.

WTF? Every page about every politician is sure to be loaded with crap. WP doesn't stay away from politics AT ALL!

The 9/11 page is lies top to bottom. Russiagate. You name it. Wikipedia only repeats "legitimate" corporate lies news.


What's an "elite"? Why are you using "pedophilia" as an adjective? What's "acknowleged"?

Don't be dunce.

"List of high-profile convicted paedophiles" might be a better title for the article.

Maybe. That's more or less what it's become - anyone with fame and/or power. A wider view shows the broad scale and deep extent of it's all pervasive corruption that is ignored by the elites and those with power, if not participating in it.


All good articles have criticism sections. But if the IOTA can't even get a foothold then how can you even write a criticism. MS and Apple have been around since the 1980s. Has IOTA? Worth billion$. Is IOTA?

You can find a criticism section on the James Corbett and SaidIt articles too.

[–]wizzwizz4[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Every page about every politician is sure to be loaded with crap.

Interesting. I forgot about actual political issues. A brief survey suggests that many of these are a little biased in their wording, but not quite poor quality; I might touch a few of them up when I've got time for the inevitable debates in the Talk section that follow.


Don't be dunce.

I'm not. Seriously, what counts as "elite"? You're expecting short inferential distances (something I do significantly more than you, so I'm quite chuffed that I can finally call you out on it) and neglecting the vast spectrum of what that word means to different people.

Maybe.

Then maybe you can try making that article on Wikipedia. If you're incredibly careful to tiptoe around with the wording you use, you might get it past the "filter". Focus on wording it so that it doesn't trigger the reflexive "this is bad" response in the new article reviewers and, at least at first, only include people for which you can find:

  • Actual court documents showing the convictions; and
  • At least two news articles from reputable (rightly or wrongly) groups with different biases.

You're targeting an audience, like I am when writing this comment. Make concessions in what you're writing to get your core point across; sure, people will be able to "take you out of context" more easily, but it will be about the trivial ancillary things, not the core ones.


But if the IOTA can't even get a foothold then how can you even write a criticism.

Since I wrote that answer on IOTA Stack Exchange, I always planned to wait a couple of years before writing another article about it, and hope that the article got grounded and started to develop a root system strong foundation of links before it got vandalised by those wanting it to be an advertisement.

You have to write things in the right way. And the only problem with the IOTA article was that it wasn't written like a Wikipedia article.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=elite

Elite : In political and sociological theory, the elite are a small group of powerful people who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power, or skill in a society. More at Wikipedia

It's not a fucking obscure term. Everyone knows what it is. Except you apparently.

Yes, now that there's enough content gathered up, there might be a chance to create in on WP. I'm banned from doing political stuff there, but I still do little things and am always pushing the envelope - so far undetected since my 2016 ban - but also FAR more ineffective.

Feel free to copy paste the whole thing if you like and edit it down as you see fit. Many of the links and citations will be refuted and thrown out, and some major sections may be deleted but there's enough remaining to be a legit article, or at very least a heavily bulldogged stub. I salute anyone who tries - and I really hope they include the lists - which is why I started it in the first place - so see how legitimately systemic it was.

The article is targeting the truth. I have not said anyone was a pedo without citations. I've not said anyone was one unless they were convicted. The others are allegations - including now dead alleged pedos with hundreds of victims who will never see justice.

You have to write things in the right way.

This has become soft censorship. The authoritarians don't tolerate sloppiness on Wikipedia any more. This has pros and cons. A LOT of information is blocked. That's a huge fucking con.

They could dial it back a bit or a lot and still provide a quality resource, perhaps even far superior.

Reddit and SaidIt are anything but organized - yet they're still great resources.

[–]Arundel 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Great_NHS_Heist

Can I watch this online in full?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know. I haven't seen it yet myself. Lemme know if you find it.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Great+NHS+Heist

Looks like they're still going but stalled or something.

Official sites: http://selloff.org.uk/ + http://thegreatnhsheist.com/

The Great NHS Heist Documentary trailer No2 - Prof David Whyte Feb 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsQj9K-kzmQ

[–]Wanga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Are you v4vapid on steemit?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I am JasonCarswell in all things. Even on Steemit.

https://steemit.com/@jasoncarswell

Feel free to give me all your Steem bucks.