PSA: Our site culture is dropping.

submitted by wizzwizz4 from (self.SaidIt)

I'll make this short. Here are my recommendations:

  • Make an effort, every single comment you post, to knock it one step up the debate pyramid. (I'm equally guilty of this, but I'm going to make an effort to improve.)
  • Stop making, for want of a better word, circle-jerk posts. That's just going to drive people away until the entire site is like one low-quality subreddit.
  • Vote properly.
    • Only vote high-quality content insightful.
    • If something's funny, vote it fun. If it's a "memey" post, only vote it insightful if it's actually insightful.

See the comments for the many, many arguments against my recommendations.

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[–]magnora7 30 insightful - 3 fun30 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Thanks wizzwizz.

I appreciate you all who are being real and honest and well-spoken, and responding to the real core of what your debate "opponent" is saying when you get in a disagreement.

I've already seen some great debates happening on saidit where all the different sides of an argument were being stated very clearly and articulately, and it's amazing how much I can quickly learn! This is what saidit is for.

Sometimes we'll get steamed when we disagree with someone, but only engaging with the highest-quality arguments makes the culture of mud-slinging just naturally die out from people simply ignoring it because we know it's not worth our time.

It's a subtle thing to truly grasp, but I see lots and lots of people on saidit who "get it" and I'm proud of the community we've all built so far.

[–]HeyImSancho 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

I like to walk away from the computer. It gives me time to think about any post that for whatever reason I may not comprehend what was said, and how to respond.

Even a flaming post, a crap post designed to do nothing, but cause noise can be productive once viewed properly.

Life is an engagement in time, and time goes by fast. We as men, women, children, and people try to make plans on how to use our very important limited time, but whatever god is, he laughs....

I keep crap like that on my mind, and when a post 'steams' me, I just ask why did it, and contemplate to find any response if any.

Rules can be good, and rules can also stifle creativity, and inspiration.

[–]magnora7 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I agree, but we cannot have infinite tolerance of crap posts, lest saidit become voat

[–]sawboss 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

lest saidit become voat

You'll know that's happening when the front page is majority antisemitic and white supremacist. If I see that happen, I'll lose interest in SaidIt, because I can already get that at Voat.

[–]Zhohan 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was very disappointing trying Voat out to find out it infected the entire website. We need a real alternative to Reddit that is for the people.

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    [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    If it's true crap, then we should report, correct? Like:

    I agree, but we cannot have infinite tolerance of crap posts

    Tolerance! toleRNCE you smell

    [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah report bad posts and comments, selecting the 'dragging down discussion on the pyramid of debate' option on the window that pops up. That way they're flagged for mods to easily see. They won't always be removed though, it's just a flagging system to help mods and admins spot it quickly, and to give an opinion that you agree it violates the pyramid of debate.

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      [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Me too.

      On some occasions I get a strong emotional reaction, whatever that may be. When that happens I find it's often a challenge to find the best words. And while it might be easy to just say whatever, I've found those are the best learning moments to try harder and go deeper to find where and why those emotions came in order to better articulate what's often my own resolution with confidence and peace again. Ultimately it's more on me anyway, and my choice to react or even step away and not react.

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        [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Oh, yes. Lots of people definitely "get it"; that's why I think it's possible to encourage more to. (Me, for example; I understand it, but still don't "get it".)

        [–]sawboss 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        responding to the real core of what your debate "opponent" is saying when you get in a disagreement.

        I suck at this. I know that my comments fall into lower tiers of the pyramid more often than I'd like. Can you guess why? (Hint: I don't blame SaidIt!)

        I've already seen some great debates happening on saidit where all the different sides of an argument were being stated very clearly and articulately, and it's amazing how much I can quickly learn! This is what saidit is for.

        I don't envy your position. As SaidIt grows there will be more, and more people calling for new rules they can weaponize against those who say things they don't want said. I trust SaidIt to do their best to resist the tyrannical impulse, so please don't make me regret that trust.

        Sometimes we'll get steamed when we disagree with someone, but only engaging with the highest-quality arguments makes the culture of mud-slinging just naturally die out from people simply ignoring it because we know it's not worth our time.

        Plenty of my posts get no votes or comments. Not gonna lie, that's a bit discouraging. As you've implied though, it ought to be my perogative to reel in my own chaotic impulses.

        [–]sawboss 8 insightful - 9 fun8 insightful - 8 fun9 insightful - 9 fun -  (13 children)

        I have no respect for people who enter a fun sub and then just complain. Bring your fun pills people!

        [–]wizzwizz4[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

        If you don't want people to complain in your sub, don't put it on /s/all. There's a box you can tick; if you want to police what people can say, take it off /s/all.

        [–]JasonCarswell 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (42 children)

        I'm gonna vote how I want not how someone tells me is proper.

        Unless there are flags, I'll keep voting for everyone on a busy post - even if they are not insightful - because I need to mark them as read.

        If you want to change my voting habits then feel free to code and add the features that will encourage better voting from me.

        Also while you're at it, I'd love ranked voting, say from 0-10 for both insightful and fun.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

        Ranked voting is a slippery slope.

        [–]Stoner 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

        How?

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

        Shills can disproportionately out vote ideas they are paid to suppress, while impartial voters who haven't been exposed to quality evidence are influenced by the shills.

        Deviating from basic voting methods can be exploited by parties who have an interest in seeing the public uninformed.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

        And what's stopping them now?

        I'm not buying it.

        [–]wizzwizz4[S] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

        And what's stopping them now?

        Nothing. That's why I've posted 2 PSAs in the last week, and will probably post more, despite being a guilty hypocrite.

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              [–]HeyImSancho 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

              good post, and way to stand up!

              [–]wizzwizz4[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

              The features you want are incredibly hard to implement; not impossible, but difficult. We're all working on getting through the list.

              Until then, vote how you think is proper, not how people tell you to. It's advice, not instruction, that I give.

              [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              Sorry but your tone sucks. Your advice sounds like instruction and I'm guessing what you really want is motivation to be better. I don't think too many here are not trying to do their best. But I do think folks might like motivation to supplement their best.

              If you're interested, you could draft up potential posts on the wiki and ask for feedback (or even allow others to work it over - like on Wikipedia) and after folks are done, you feel its done, or some time limit passes then post it. Maybe you'll get a stronger message out. Maybe not. Maybe it's a waste of time and energy. Or maybe its something that can be refined over time.

              I'm super glad that you're helping the code.

              [–][deleted] 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

              One man's circle jerk is another man's best post ever.

              [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

              LOLS

              I've jerked so hard so many times. And then when I'm not even trying.... BOOM!

              [–]send_nasty_stuff 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              Just let the site culture become what it's going to become. Posting a bunch of PSA won't do shit. You build a good social media site with people that need to use the site to do important political work. Reddit use to be about fast information spreading until it got sold out. Let this site find it's niche naturally. If you want to make is a good site be a good mod.

              [–]HopeThatHalps 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              To the extent that this is basically pre-corperate reddit, the level of discourse is going to drop. You're going to get power posters and lots of peons who upvote their reposted memes.

              The only way to stop it is with rules, and then moderation to enforce those rules, a level of moderation which, tbh, can't be had free of charge. The people who are willing to moderate for free tend to be power trippers who relish the opportunity to exercise that power.

              [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              The people who are willing to moderate for free tend to be power trippers who relish the opportunity to exercise that power.

              This is exactly correct. The downfall of reddit was the little mod fiefdoms

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                [–]StalwartJames 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

                Shouldn't have banned coontown.

                [–]HurkaDurka 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                Wow, I just lost a ton of respect for this site. I don't even see what the rule violation was with those goofballs.

                [–]magnora7 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                It's an entire sub based entirely around the lowest level of the pyramid of debate: Low-information hatred

                This isn't voat. They're openly hateful racists, wishing death on others and dehumanizing them. They're not "goofballs". We have to draw the line somewhere, or we will just become voat.

                [–]Snow 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                Why banned coontown?

                [–]wizzwizz4[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

                Because it was a troll sub, and various site members petitioned for the ban – to which /u/magnora7 said "only if it starts up again".

                (Though I might be wrong.)

                [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                Yeah it's a sub based entirely on the lowest level of the pyramid (low-information hatred) so we decided it's not worth allowing on saidit.

                [–]poestal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                no he just banned it because he believed it invited trouble to saidit.

                [–]poestal 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/jzs/deleting_new_subs_that_are_just_trolling_or_spam/

                I believe it's complete bs they can just ban it without violating any rules. (even though I was banned from coontown from making a joke)

                [–]Wanga 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (98 children)

                I think maybe we need a longer list of social norms/guidelines.

                Wikipedia has the strongest, most resilient culture of any major web platform. It gets stronger as everyone else decays. I think part of the reason is that they have a long wiki list of guidelines, so they can say, "You're using weasel words", or whatever specific violation people are using.

                The pyramid of debate is fine and dandy, but it's not enough to cover all situations.

                [–]sawboss 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

                Wikipedia has the strongest, most resilient culture of any major web platform

                It's a tyranny. That's how they maintain their culture. If SaidIt wants to promote a monoculture then SaidIt also must become a tyranny.

                [–]Wanga 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

                Wikipedia is a mashup of majority-democracy, consensus-democracy, monarchy, anarchy

                [–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

                Was.

                Now Wikipedia is a tyranny of the "majority" via an army of CIA and Mossad led propaganda admins.

                [–]Wanga 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

                I'm skeptical of arguments that claim everyone who argues against them online is a government agent.

                [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

                I'm skeptical of arguments that claim I said everyone who argues against them online is a government agent.

                Feel free to go through my Wikipedia history and look at the conflicts and tell me they all make sense.

                [–]Wanga 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

                I skeptical of arguments that claim I said that arguments that claim that everyone who claims that everyone argues against them online is a government agent

                [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                If you only edit the safe topics you won't have a problem.

                If you push the limits whether frequently or infrequently you'll see what I'm talking about. I haven't been super active on WP for all dozen years solid, but I'm pretty familiar with it.

                On the other hand, I'm still learning Reddit culture.

                [–]Wanga 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

                Reddit culture is about memorising a list of memes and then doing this with them

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                  [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

                  Wikipedia sucks ass. They banned me for a year for being "another polite truther". Last week I was trying to add to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitChute and met irrational resistance because they're trying to suppress new freeing technologies like BitChute's Comment Freely app : https://github.com/BitChute/commentfreely

                  Because it's "not notable". There's a FUCK TONNE on Wikipedia that is not notable.

                  "Not notable" = weasel words if ever there were.

                  [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                  Yeah not notable is insane, that's as subjective as they come, and it costs like a penny a year to have an extra page.

                  [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                  If only they were constantly begging for money to support their propaganda campaign, then maybe we could afford some freedom and solutions to include "fringe" and "fancruft".

                  [–]Wanga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

                  What's a polite truther?

                  [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

                  Truther: https://infogalactic.com/info/User:JasonCarswell

                  9/11 was an Anglo-Zionist-Globalist inside and outside international snowjob followed by Athrax to scare everyone into silence. https://steemit.com/september2001/@jasoncarswell/never-forget-sept-2001-six-events-reclaimthenarrative-fightelitesnoteachother

                  If you act nice and don't let their bullshit bug you (because they'll toss you out) then they call you "polite".

                  These are old and need updating and major cleaning up:

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Truther_(disambiguation) - partly banned

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Trutherism

                  Wikipedia won't allow articles like those or like these:

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Pedophocracy

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_acknowledged_pedophilia_elites

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_alleged_pedophilia_elites

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Conspirophile

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Dynamic_silence

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Eating_You_Alive - banned

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/InterPlanetary_File_System - partly banned

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/IOTA_(technology) - banned

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/James_Corbett_(journalist) - banned several times

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Joseph_Atwill

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Lionel_(radio_personality) - mostly banned

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Great_NHS_Heist - banned

                  https://infogalactic.com/info/Tigole

                  EDIT: I added "banned" after the ones that were banned from WP. The others I didn't even try.

                  [–]Wanga 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                  wew lad

                  [–]wizzwizz4[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

                  That's 'cause they're written in a very biased way. The IOTA article was just an advert, "list of acknowledged pedophilia elites" I can tell from the title is not written neutrally (despite that being a perfectly understandable stance, it's not the Wikipedia way)…

                  Wait, they banned the Saidit article? Huh. After reading it, I see why; it's written like an advert:

                  Within the "subs" members may contribute titled "posts" with text or a link (to a webpage, image, video, etc (now supporting SVGs, BitChute, PeerTube, and DTube[6])).

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                    [–]Wanga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                    Are you v4vapid on steemit?

                    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                    I am JasonCarswell in all things. Even on Steemit.

                    https://steemit.com/@jasoncarswell

                    Feel free to give me all your Steem bucks.

                    [–]wizzwizz4[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (42 children)

                    Before that, we need a stronger… less toxic, honestly, userbase. And we need to work together to decide our norms, with some help from our resident dictators /u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr.

                    [–]Wanga 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

                    I don't think we should 'wait' for the userbase to improve before drawing guidelines.

                    Guidelines should help the userbase improve.

                    [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    I agree that we don't need to wait. But there is a process in place. That process is not carved in stone and you're welcome to improve it.

                    Fair warning. You may be ignored. I have been. I'm also surprised when something I find trivial gets a lot of attention.

                    The SaidItrons are fickle beasts.

                    [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

                    Oh, darn, I'm not following my own guidelines, am I? This'll be harder than I thought.

                    Yes, that has merit, and I think makes more sense than what I was saying. Want to make a sub? Something like /s/SaiditForum, perhaps? And then the finished guidelines can be posted somewhere, all nicely in one place, by someone who's going to stick around.

                    [–]sawboss 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

                    The reason it's so hard to follow these ideas through to their logical conclusion is because, assuming you are capable of self reflection, some part of you must understand that the monoculture you are promoting can only be implemented via censorship and force. I didn't come here to be lectured by moral authoritarians!

                    [–]happysmash27 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                    I personally hope to make the culture good by promoting the existing good culture, bringing people closer together and reducing toxicity.

                    [–]sawboss 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

                    bringing people closer together

                    sounds immoral

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                      [–]Wanga 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

                      /s/IdeasforSaidit

                      [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                      That will do. That will do nicely.

                      [–]Wanga 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

                      https://i.imgtc.com/zYFs3z7.gif

                      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Re-read this post. There's already stuff in place.

                      [–]poestal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

                      could you delve more into your definition of toxic users.

                      [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

                      There aren't many. I'll just namedrop Martin and let some others explain.

                      [–]sawboss 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      No we don't.

                      [–]Johnytheanarchist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

                      What we really need is to bring in more users, said its biggest problem is it has just over 6k accounts with maybe a few hundred being active for more then a few days

                      [–]sawboss 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Then post more!

                      [–]HeyImSancho 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                      I was part of a forum once that thought bringing in more folks was the best idea ever; the forum went from about this size, maybe a little larger, down to nothing. There are some really dank, and dark spots on the web... lol

                      I think marketing is good when coupled with strong growth, but it takes participation from all to do that by way of good, or original content. I like the idea of steady organic growth.

                      No matter, I'll be here to see the experiment; I hope it thrives for all.

                      [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

                      Yeah exactly. I would MUCH rather grow slowly with quality users, than quickly with low-quality users.

                      [–]rockstarsball 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      There is a way to balance both. Thats part of what was great about reddit in the golden years. it was a place you could discuss a variety of different topics with people of various levels of intelligence and then pop into a few of the crappy reddits to roll around in the shit for a little while.

                      Keeping those users around but contained was what reddit failed at and restricting content and speech is the only way they can deal with the fallout of what they did.

                      Reasonable debate can coexist with retarded hate filled vitrol as long as the boundaries are clearly drawn about what belongs where and what the limits are.

                      everybody hates something and though we can personally make decisions and opinions on what is acceptable to hate and what isn't. Everyone deserves an outlet for verbal expression of that hate.

                      i think it is far better choice to just keep them off the front page and keep them contained in their communities, but let them exist for the freakshow appeal.

                      [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

                      What do you propose?

                      [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

                      Being a parent, I learnt that children love strong boundaries.

                      Setting arbitrary and strict guidelines will result in complaints, but happy users. If those guidelines prevent soy soaked group mind-horrors, then that's even better.

                      [–]Wanga 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

                      I hate the way Reddit deletes posts for capricious reasons, e.g. "The title of your submission to /r/todayilearned did not begin with 'TIL'. Your post has been deleted." Makes me ragequit.

                      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

                      Those are the subreddit-specific rules. The only way to prevent that sort of stuff is by having site-wide rules against sub moderator rules

                      [–]Wanga 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

                      or by a cultural taboo against it, like Voat

                      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

                      True, cultural taboos can be powerful but hard to cultivate

                      [–]Stoner 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      Wikipedia is known for having an elitist culture that bans wrongthink. Read up on the wikipedia untouchables.

                      [–]Stoner 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

                      This post made me cackle so upvoted as funny. All the stuff you say is ridiculous to me so upvoted funny. See how subjectivity works?

                      D3rr said it best, one mans shitpost...

                      [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                      That's fine. Though, if you think it's ridiculous perhaps you should just ignore it, instead of voting it "fun"; I don't care how you vote, but fun isn't a downvote.

                      [–]Stoner 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

                      Its fun to me, damn it!

                      [–]sawboss 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                      I think this is the correct response to "ridiculous" posts.

                      [–]wizzwizz4[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                      Oh, that's fine, then. Carry on!

                      [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                      This post really belongs in /s/IdeasForSaidIt

                      IMHO

                      SaidIt idea bucket - /s/IdeasForSaidIt/wiki/idea_bucket (Dump rough notes there if you're too busy/lazy to organize them and they'll be organized for you. I'm a lottle behind.)

                      SaidIt policy ideas - /s/IdeasForSaidIt/wiki/policy_ideas <-- What you seem to be talking about here.

                      SaidIt feature ideas - /s/IdeasForSaidIt/wiki/feature_ideas

                      SaidIt IRC chat ideas - /s/IdeasForSaidIt/wiki/chat_ideas

                      SaidIt community project ideas - /s/IdeasForSaidIt/wiki/community_ideas

                      SaidIt future ideas - /s/IdeasForSaidIt/wiki/future_ideas - long term goals

                      Then

                      You may discuss then draft up (/s/SaidItSurveys/wiki/drafts) proposals, collectively or individually, to submit (/s/SaidItSurveys/) to the community at large for their feedback.

                      [–]Wanga 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                      I can't seem to edit the wikis

                      [–]Doob 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

                      Maybe we need a downvote after all...

                      [–]sawboss 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

                      OH FFS NO WE DON'T NEED A DV!

                      [–]HorseMeat 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

                      Psst! Sometimes I feel like people use the fun button as a substitute for a downvote.

                      [–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

                      That would be stupid as it still boosts the post: bulb+2 fun =+1.

                      [–]sawboss 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

                      This is incorrect, so I'm voting it FUN.

                      [–]Mnemonic 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

                      Getting paid while being wrong, feel like a greedy politician now.

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                          [–]sawboss 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                          I agree! In fact, I have done it already!

                          [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          SAYING THINGS LOUDLY DOESN'T MAKE YOU RIGHT!

                          I agree with you, but completely disagree with the way you're trying to put across your point of view.

                          [–]wizzwizz4[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                          I don't think that would have a net benefit, since the long-term negative effects on the culture would more than balance out the short-term benefits.

                          Maybe once we've taught people to use the existing votes properly, we can add a new one. But we can't call it "downvote".

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                            [–]happysmash27 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            I expected this to happen, which is why meta posts like this are good, and why I have posted at least one of my own, in order to hopefully keep SaidIt a great place to be.

                            [–]Snow 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

                            I think the result of "culture is dropping" is because of the number of members increase. For example, those stupid TV shows, they have to make the topic "suitable" for most people, therefore they must dropdown the intelligent of the viewer needed and sexualize everything. Because most people are not intelligent and not asexual. (But intelligent and asexual people would be dropout on there ) Maybe you can ask magnora7 for a stop to kick people in a while?

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                              [–]wizzwizz4[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

                              (cc: /u/JasonCarswell I heard you saying this.)

                              This is extremely hard to implement. It'll require lots of testing, taking the site down for a while and almost certainly several instances of massive database corruption because we didn't test the transition script enough.

                              How much is this feature worth, and what categories should be around?

                              [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

                              Good points. And also if it's not insightful or fun, why do we even want it on saidit?

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                                [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                                I hadn't thought of the grim aspect of things. This is a good point. It's a slippery slope to add more options to be sure. It might help if you were to offer suggestions. For example a NSFW rating might be a start.

                                Just yesterday I thought the system with a 1-10 rating for the 2 votes would have covered it all. Now, with all these gore subs, maybe another. Before WPD showed up this place was mostly either news or not and "not" was usually fun or entertainment on some level.

                                I'd love to hear what others you think might be worth considering.

                                There is something to be said for simple ergonomics. That said were not simpletons. It's a fine balance to be sure.

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