For all the newcomers to saidit today, welcome! Here's what makes saidit unique

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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I have a long sub wish list : https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt#SaidIt_subs_wishlist

  1. I don't care for being mod. It's a power trip for some, it's about community for others. It's a necessary evil, but it's not for me.

  2. I'm an animator/designer. I made several banners and a SaidIt CSS. I'm all about improving SaidIt, though we may debate what are improvements. I've not finished with my CSS (some experiments and design ideas to revert and tweak) that I copypaste into all my subs, unless there's a reason/request not to.

  3. I'm also fanatical about organizing. I find the chaos and lack of metatags here frustrating. Also, I don't know why we only get 1 sub a week. And no one has yet given me a good reason why more subs are a bad thing, though I can see that there are a LOT of stupid names for subs, I value freedom above all. If I could code I'd help them add meta tags and the ability to classify the freely named subs for better informational searches.

  4. I'm sooo not into death or WPD. But I have some design stuff and new ideas appropriate for it.

That said, I have a proposal...

I get my new sub in about 16 hours. I could make WatchPeopleDie then if it's not already undercut. I would then invite you to co-mod as well as d3rr, SaidIt co-admin, whom I've already invited to co-mod all my other subs. You can moderate it together by consensus and agree to invite whoever you chose to together. I will be dropping back after adding my design to it.

I don't want to apply my CSS to it, though you can if you want. I simply want to add a banner and a background tile, leaving the rest as default, unless further finessing is required. I have a few options in mind too if you want to select from them. (I will be posting them here when I make them: https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt_gallery#SaidIt_banners_gallery I'm actually several behind but intend to wrap them up this week.)

This is already long so if you want more info about my ideas or ideas of your own, chime in.

Also, part of this little experiment is to see if making a template of sorts to maybe apply to all NSFW or Gore or whatever type subs. If someone clicks on a sub and doesn't know what it is, the banner and style may help caution them.

Lastly, in return I'd ask that you find something in my grand wish list that you'll create and invite me. It doesn't have to be your first one. Also if WPD isn't your first choice we have half a day to discuss other ideas and strategies.

Feel free to decline if you like for whatever reason you like and share that with me or not as you see fit.

[–]Greedeater 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I've perused your wish list and seen a few I was thinking of porting in the future. I'm not a bloke for politics, bit some of the general and music subs did catch my eye.

You sir have a deal, and my gratitude.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Prompt reply. We'll see where we are in 15 hours.

Just a few? Just a few from my list or a few in general? Mind sharing your list/interests?

Also, mind being a proxy? Maybe you can be my "second sub per week"? I hadn't originally planned this, or maybe I'm an evil genius of manipulation, though if I were a real evil genius I would have likely recruited someone before now. Actually a month or five ago I asked magnora7, the founder of SaidIt if I could create 6 more accounts to get 1 sub a day. He said I'd figured out a loophole and that technically I could but it's frowned upon. Because I respect SaidIt I didn't and won't. Thought there are some here with multiple aliases and about a month ago one was using them to amplify their free speech so a new policy against that was created.

Anyway, my motives remain listed above unchanged. I have need to greedily eat new subs to poop out more prettified categories.

[–]Greedeater 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Sorry mate, lost in translation there from the Aussie slang; numbers wise, at least a dozen of em that I saw including ShowerThoughts, WritingPrompts and NoSleep. I write as a stress release so they are very much up my alley

Sidenote; if one was to drop short stories on Saidit, is there a sub for that? If not, that'll be on the list too.

Also, mind being a proxy? Maybe you can be my "second sub per week"?

Hmmm, won't say no, however all depends on how /u/Magnora7 thinks about that. In all honesty, I'm trying to avoid powermods not create them, per se, however if it does get the site traffic up by broadening subject scopes and passed to folk who are truly for the subject itself and the community as a whole, I'm down for that.

Edit; sorry, remembered you weren't interested in the modding part so clarified at the end there.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

We'd like to avoid powermods too. Each person gets one sub a week, that ought to be enough. I don't want anyone taking it upon themselves to own 500 subs and try to categorize everything, that's one of the big problems reddit had, was the powermods, like you mentioned.

[–]Greedeater 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Last thing this joint needs I reckon.

[–]Greedeater 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Good to hear. Save this somewhere being the Bossman: you have my word (for what that's worth from a random user) that my intentions are exactly as I stated; get the traffic up, get the niche subject subs going, and when/if the subjects are not aligned to my interests I'll pass the torch to a user that is active in said community and passionate about the subject itself.

Sound good?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds good. Actions speak louder than words though, my friend :) Looking forward to the future

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That's my thinking too.

[–]Greedeater 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Just pinged ya mate, subs live but the text is unreadable in grey on the background. I'm not a CSS bloke so I copy pasted it into a comment with said ping in case you hadn't backed it up.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What ping?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What ping?

I've got darker tiles now. Gonna whip up some banners.

[–]Greedeater 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ach my bad, hangover from Eddit haha. When you type a username, they get the username mention I presumed it was the same here.

I made an announcement post and dropped your username in it, to get your attention.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Besides censoring and power tripping bullies, what else is problematic about powermods?

I don't know why categorizing things is bad. I know this is the system that exists so far but as far as organizing and search ability for specific information (issues aside) Steemit strikes a pretty good balance with categories and 5 metatags, though many would like more tags, myself included.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because a mod controls the flow of information. So if someone is modding tons and tons of subs, they can control a ton of the flow of information (including deleting a ton of stuff). This is one of the major problems reddit had. Just accept the fact that things won't be perfectly organized, because they were never intended to be. Hiding things on tiny subs just guarantees the information will get lost, so it's not benefitical if your purpose is to get the most people to see it.

We'll develop the crossposting system. Please just relax about it in the meantime.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hiding things on tiny subs

Really?

Hiding things in a morass of chaos is the opposite.

My purpose is to make it accessible and useful, like most people. I don't think anyone intends to make a "tiny sub" that's never looked at, but honestly I'd rather have a quality tiny sub that is about that topic for people to find than have them aimlessly wander over generalized topics.

If there were more tiny subs then there'd also be less centralized pooling and the powermod thing issue might also be diminished.

But I'm not a Redditor, so what do I know. I have however, gleaned there's a balance between being too specific and too general and it's not always as obvious as you'd think.

I'm relaxed, though now I'm obviously a conspirator. Openly. If that's frowned upon too I can withdraw my friendly proposal to Greedeater.

One way you could shut me up, for a little while, is to keep me busy and let me do banners for /s/censorship, /s/piracy, and maybe some other subs of yours. Pick some for me. Throw in some ideas, collaborate, or just let me surprise you. If you like them or don't lemme know how I can improve them. I aim to please. If you like my (not quite finished) CSS you/I/we can add it or you can make me co-mod for a short while. After I'm done applying my graffiti you can un-co-mod me. Being mod is not in my field of interests.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hiding things in a morass of chaos is the opposite.

Chaos is having tons of duplicate posts in the /new tab that look like spam, tbh. Just look at the page and how all the duplicates and triplicates make it look

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what I thought back when I asked you about it.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

LOL I don't even remember where I got those but I've been adding to those lists by recommendations about what's missing, so ShowerThoughts, WritingPrompts and NoSleep are not even mine, though I'll be sure to check them out.

I'm actually writing several projects, but that's another long thing for another day if you actually care. Yes there's /s/Writing and recently /s/Microfiction.

While I understand there may be nuances between the general and specific categories I'm frustrated by redundancies when there's a lot that haven't been covered. For example recent additions /s/SyrianCivilWar and /s/vzla mirror the extant /s/Syrian and /s/Venezuela but there's none for Asia, Brazil, EU, Mexico, NewZealand, Russia, SaudiArabia, UK, Vietnam, etc.

Those are regional, and as you saw I have lots more. But a lot of the broader ones nullify any sort of need for specifics, at least for the foreseeable future. Like "DeepState", "MindControl" and "NGOs" would cover all the specific examples in their more specific lists and more, just as "Crime" covered a lot.

Asking magnora7 sounds good. What's a powermod? I'm pretty sure I'm not that, unless my graffiti/banners counts. Don't feel pressured or obligated to do anything you don't want to. Or rushed. Take time to see how it goes. My history is wide open here. And in that history you'll see me constantly intending to soon to pull back to focus on my projects and animation. I really mean it but I may be getting addicted to SaidIt.

I don't know if I'm "for the subjects" so much as come across content that fits there best. Sex, Race, WorldHistory, Solutions, VideoEssays - are very broad topics with content that would belong there over other defaults like "news". And if I'm looking for information on vaccines I'd rather go to a vaccines sub than "health" in general covering all manner of issues.

[–]Greedeater 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

LOL I don't even remember where I got those but I've been adding to those lists by recommendations about what's missing, so ShowerThoughts, WritingPrompts and NoSleep are not even mine, though I'll be sure to check them out.

All are good to keep the creative juices flowing so yes definitely have a squizz at em over on Eddit.

I'm actually writing several projects, but that's another long thing for another day if you actually care. Yes there's /s/Writing and recently /s/Microfiction.

Subbed, thank you. Ooh if you are, what else should I keep an eye out for writers?

While I understand there may be nuances between the general and specific categories I'm frustrated by redundancies when there's a lot that haven't been covered. For example recent additions /s/SyrianCivilWar and /s/vzla mirror the extant /s/Syrian and /s/Venezuela but there's none for Asia, Brazil, EU, Mexico, NewZealand, Russia, SaudiArabia, UK, Vietnam, etc.

That'll come with Population/user growth I reckon. It could be that Squatters (mods snapping up URLs so no one else can use em) grabbed the originals before the others could? Folks coming from Eddit see subs as prime real estate I reckon. Myself included for WPD, won't lie.

Those are regional, and as you saw I have lots more. But a lot of the broader ones nullify any sort of need for specifics, at least for the foreseeable future. Like "DeepState", "MindControl" and "NGOs" would cover all the specific examples in their more specific lists and more, just as "Crime" covered a lot.

Diversification is definitely a welcome addition once numbers are up on Saidit, so these niches are filled.

Asking magnora7 sounds good. What's a powermod? I'm pretty sure I'm not that, unless my graffiti/banners counts. Don't feel pressured or obligated to do anything you don't want to. Or rushed. Take time to see how it goes. My history is wide open here. And in that history you'll see me constantly intending to soon to pull back to focus on my projects and animation. I really mean it but I may be getting addicted to SaidIt.

Magnora7 isnt a fan of Powermods either, so that's cleared that up as far as I'm concerned. Powermods are the reason folks are coming here (as well as the censorship) from Eddit; essentially it boils down to a few hundred controlling most of the content in subs with hundreds or thousands of Moderator spots that abuse their "power" from one sub to the next.

And animation eh? What kind of things you have under the belt? I'm appreciative for the offer to create the sub for me regardless and keen for it :)

I don't know if I'm "for the subjects" so much as come across content that fits there best. Sex, Race, WorldHistory, Solutions, VideoEssays - are very broad topics with content that would belong there over other defaults like "news". And if I'm looking for information on vaccines I'd rather go to a vaccines sub than "health" in general covering all manner of issues.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not so much interested in writers or writer communities, or reading from writers.

I'm interested in writing good screenplays, comedy, and trutherism - for my projects.

Many of that overlaps with good writing - like how character and plot are a delicate dance requiring good balance to weaves good stories.

I used to listen/watch many YouTube channels on screenwriting-filmmaking if you're interested in that.

I don't think people check the subs as often as the should. Myself included. Other redundant subs are /s/Trump and /s/The_Donald /s/SandersForPresident /s/WayOfTheBern /s/Death /s/WatchPeopleDie /s/AskSaidIt /s/SaidItSurveys and /s/IdeasForSaidIt and /s/SaidIt. They all have their subtle differences that, like you said, over time will be defined. But there are big gaps.

I really don't know why you want WPD so bad but there it is. Behave with it. I'm guessing the community is the part that's notable. Ever go to Rotten.com? I visited a few times in the 90s and 2000s.

I still don't see the problem with powermods if we develop policies that keep them in check and don't get tyranny. Not to mention the M7D3 admins watching over them and cultivating good community. It seems like powermods got corrupted because the admins were corrupt.

I'm totally willing to let anyone co-mod my subs who asks. My only requirement is they not be an asstroll. I've only seen a couple mild attitudes here on SaidIt who I'd think twice about.

Vimeo has better quality but only one video https://vimeo.com/user67299269 and YouTube deleted a bunch, so this is what's left of my dozen year old YouTube account: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0EypUUzo-v9YUmGLQvcfDQ

Do you know anything about setting up bots?

On my subs wish list you may have seen my "media top choices" list. There were only 19 there. And while a have long list of heroes I would actually not want to have them each with their own sub - at least not until SaidIt it Reddit sized. And of those 19, many of them don't really need their own sub either. You could pretty much set up bots for most of them to post into only 4 categories: LibertarianVideos, ProgressiveVideos, AltMedia/Indie/Truther/TruthSeekerVideos, and VideoEssays. Most of the VideoEssay channels only publish once or twice a month, but it'd be rad to simply find them all in one place. And really when I think about it I'd not even bother with the Libs and Progs - in part because so many of them are hard to tell apart as they're simply anti-corruption or anti-authoritarian - and in part because I'd rather keep them mixed up for all the SaidIters to keep them from their left-right bubbles and expose them to new ideas.

I wasn't a Redditor but after 5 months on SaidIt if I were to do it over again, I would have made my wish list sooner to better organize, prioritize, and make better choices. /s/InfoGalactic is still my online homebase of sorts (https://infogalactic.com/info/User:JasonCarswell) and I thought more folks might embrace it but Wikipedia/InfoGalactic and Reddit/SaidIt culture are farther apart than I'd realized. /s/SaidItSurveys isn't a bad mistake but meh. /s/ZoonPolitikon should have been /s/PoliticalAnalysis or /s/TruthSeekerVideos or /s/IndieNewsReaders.