Saidit.net — Feb 5, 2019 — Minor site fixes and updates, full self-voting, removed all remaining mentions of gold, removed useless preferences tabs

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[–]kazenmusic 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (39 children)

I want to let you know I appreciate the work you're doing! I'm a recent arrival, just finding my feet; so, Thank You, magnora7 !

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

An unfinished encyclopedic article about SaidIt : https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Nice article so far!

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Awesome SaidIt site so far!

Have you heard of anyone adopting your fork with your improvements? Do you expect that to happen? Do your forkings align with the other indie-reddit-forks out there?

Lemme know if there's ever anything you want added, removed, changed, etc.

Lemme know if you want more graphics too. I know it may seem painfully tedious but that's how it goes to get it right.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nope, no one else is using our fork or Reddit open source at all, aside from https://notabug.io using the Reddit open source frontend bits.

There were some other Reddit open source sites back in the day before we started, but they're all gone afaik.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Gone"? Like deleted? Or abandoned?

I knew a little about Notabug.io from what you've mentioned. Do you ever collaborate with them?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gone like abandoned. No, we don't really collaborate with anyone. We're all off on our own code bases.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Courageous heroes boldly into the unknown...

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks, the pipeline is kind of overflowing so we've been pushing out a lot of stuff lately, I haven't forgotten about your graphics and we'll probably do a site update with them soon. Just a lot of other stuff that needs doing first that's been in the pipeline for a while. It feels like we have 8 sub-projects that are at about 80% completion right now, so we're wrapping some of those up so I can properly focus. The no self-voting rule change was the big one.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wednesday 2017-10-11, at 09:43:20 UTC is SaidIt's first post aka birthday. Maybe on 2019-04-11 on your 1.5 birthday?

Lemme know if you want any more design ideas.

On the DecentralizeAllThings CSS I have a small To Do List that I'd like to figure out before submitting it for folks feedback as a proposed upgrade to the site-wide design. My main goal is readability and ergonomics. The colours serve clear distinct functions, but may need to be dialed back a bit if folks don't like them.

Did you code an implementation to regulate self-voting?

Care to share a SaidIt road map of future plans? Maybe on https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/wiki/index - sort of like: https://saidit.net/s/ElectionsUSA2020/wiki/index

Also, I know it's a grind, but on the upside... it seems to be a success.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did you code an implementation to regulate self-voting?

It's in the works. I don't think we want to share any more details of the roadmap than we have, basically we're moving toward the crypto stuff and the decentralized stuff and fixing the site up more and making an iphone app. That's pretty much the bird's-eye roadmap right now, we're figuring out the details as we go.

Thanks for your help.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the scoops. Good to keep the cards close. I'm not just personally interested, I'm part of the evil press. So evil few read it.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

It's ironic that the article has more references to Reddit-specific terminology than Saidit does now. ;-)

(And I grudgingly admit that infogalactic is good for something. That's a very detailed article.)

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

I have yet to go through and change a lot of the "sub(s)" to better words. I thought that was what they were, but folks prefer "subsaidits" "feeds" "channels" etc.

Are there other "Reddit-specific" terms you are referring to? Do they seem out of place? Is it better to omit them, or leave then as reference to folks familiar with Reddit? (I was never a Redditer.) Please clarify what you mean.

I'm not a fan of InfoGalactic for many reasons, but I like that it's a free uncensored option among other pros.

I'd be happiest if someone could develop a decentralized Wikipedia over-lay, that would include extra content, including counter-narratives, alt-perspectives, opinions, articles, fancruft, fringe, and original wiki content - yet utilizes the existing deep encyclopedia. That left hand margin is mostly empty. The first one to do it will be my hero forever.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Remind me in June, and I might be able to put together a framework for you. It'll be on you to help populate it, though.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

  1. The first thing you said remains unclear. I can't tell if I need to act to correct something, defend something, agree with something, or just shrug.

  2. You have to be more specific about what you mean by "framework" and "populate" and why for me, and why in general.

  3. I'm not reminding you of anything in June. Remind yourself.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

  1. Act on something. If this still seems like a good idea in June, remind me if you still want me to have a bash at it. I don't have time just now, but I've an idea how I'd implement something like that.
  2. The "framework" is the code; many programmers falsely believe that this is the most important part of anything when in fact it's almost always the community behind it that is. I might write you some code, but founding and managing a community in its fledgling stages until it's self-regulating is too much for me to do again – especially from actual scratch which I've never done before.
  3. I've got no way in which to remind me of this. If you want me to make it for you, remind me in June and I might (no promises!). Otherwise, feel free not to.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

I still don't know what you mean in #1 and #2.

3 - You mean you could code a seemless Wikipedia over-lay addon? If you are willing to try I'm willing to help any way I can (even if just flowcharts, GUI, or graphics stuff) - and I guarantee you I WILL NOT FORGET. To do that would be HUUUUUUGE! REVOLUTIONARY.

Now if you could somehow do a decentralized version, including my ideas above... "decentralized Wikipedia over-lay, that would include extra content, including counter-narratives, alt-perspectives, opinions, articles, fancruft, fringe, and original wiki content - yet utilizes the existing deep encyclopedia. That left hand margin is mostly empty. The first one to do it will be my hero forever."

I don't know if that means it'd be in Mastodon, the Fediverse, IPFS, Holochain, ZeroNet, etc... I'm also quite sure folks at WikiSpooks, InfoGalactic, and all the other wikis would go ape for this.

[–]wizzwizz4 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

How's this for a start?

https://github.com/wizzwizz4/wikinotate

I don't have much time to spend on this project, and I really should've done other things for the past few hours, but this project has clicked and I keep coming up with ideas for it.

I know that Microsoft's taken over GitHub, but so far they haven't done too much bad stuff with it so creating an account should be safe. If you do so, please could you add feature requests in the issue tracker?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Awesome start! (Though I haven't tested it yet.)

Interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solresol article. Why did you pick that one?

I know there are many Git alternatives. GitLab is one, but I think they have an "owner" too.

This is great. I've commented on Git before, but never "watched" or contributed. Excited old dog learning new tricks.

I've got huge list of things I want on Wikipedia that can be chipped into, but one thing at a time.

I added 3 humongous requests to the issue tracker. I'm thinking big. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Read this and then be less hesitant to propose things in future. The second hardest part here is getting it to show up on Wikipedia; a browser add-on could probably do that, but people would have to install it. Making it seamless is the easy part, and making it decentralised is probably easier than making it centralised at this point (I'd have to check whether there's a JavaScript ActivityPub implementation currently existent).

The hardest part is figuring out where to display the annotations on the screen in order to keep them near the associated content but not on the text.

  1. Irrelevant; superseded by 3.
  2. The code is less important, and easier to make, than the community.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's funny. I'm going to refuse to hesitate. If I don't know which ideas are good or not so all hesitation does is limit both the good and bad ideas. I am not the one with the good/bad filter.

Regarding the "hardest part" or "where to display the annotations" I recommend somehow logging a user directed anchor.

That anchor can be invisible, an icon, or feature "new highlighted text" - or my preference: insert a (citation-like) highlighted reference number with a corresponding highlighted reference number and new text content below, after that paragraph concludes (rather than as a citation at the end of the page), potentially creating a kind of running critique/dialogue punctuating paragraphs with alternative views and notes.

Highlighted colours could indicate different things such as: personal private note, public shared note, reference, refutation, other perspective, propaganda, counter-propaganda, liberal, centrist, conservative, trutherism, correct, incorrect, grey area, etc etc etc.

Perhaps it may be helpful in learning how, in the history of an article, when you look at the "Difference between revisions of "[Article name]", it displays the specific paragraphs that have been changed. Knowing how they do that may help lead to knowing how to place anchors, even if/when the text changes.

I'd rather have an add-on than a script. Also, a lot of folks don't trust JavaScript. Is there a better language? I'd rather have a JavaScript WikiNotate than nothing.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also, just found this thing which may be a head start...

https://www.unwelcomeguests.net/WikipediaPlus

Robin is the founder of WikiSpooks and host of UnwelcomeGuests.

https://www.unwelcomeguests.net/Robin_Upton

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Robin_Upton

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No dice; the extension's using the legacy API. (Much easier to program things on, but also much easier to program malware on because you've got access to EVERYTHING!)

Though it might help with the placing things on the screen. I'll look into it.

Edit: No dice; it's gratis and poorly-documented.

Edit 2: Why am I talking about dice so much?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No dice, no worries. I just thought it might help. I don't even know what that app does. But it might be nice to adopt some of the functionality if they're good ideas.

[–]Robin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good stuff. I just linked it in from https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Saidit (although the link may take a while to manifest) - that will allow the WS article to remain terse.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, you found it.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're welcome kazenmusic! Let me know if you ever need help with anything around the site