This place seems cool, but I dont really think this is a suitable free speech alternative to reddit. (self.SaidIt)

submitted by notabugtest

I came here from looking on alturnatives to reddit on notabug. Anyhow, I was amazed when i first joined and saw this place was running reddit open source as well. Sadly, my hopes were dashed when I saw the "content policy".

Although I like the idea of somthing like a "pyramid of debate" as mentioned and holding yourself accountable to it, I really think this site is stepping into dangerous territory by making this an actually enforced rule. The reason being that this is honestly so subjective, and its really up to the individual when someone has gone too far. This also shows the issue of centralized moderation, which this site seems very ceciptable to.

Finally, the censorship of porn is frankly unnecessary. You could just do something like Notabug does and simply not host any image content (which this site already appears to do) and you are basically completely in the clear so long as you remove any reported CP links.

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[–]Mnemonic 7 insightful - 1 funny7 insightful - 0 funny8 insightful - 1 funny -  (3 children)

Although I like the idea of something like a "pyramid of debate" as mentioned and holding yourself accountable to it, I really think this site is stepping into dangerous territory by making this an actually enforced rule. The reason being that this is honestly so subjective, and its really up to the individual when someone has gone too far. This also shows the issue of centralized moderation, which this site seems very ceciptable to.

Forceful enactment of the debate pyramid never occurred IIRC, It's a thing/ideal to point at when a 'discussion' grows to a flamewar... Like the excuse for a bartender to refuse to pour one guy a drink and the other does get another while they both drank the same amount... because the one could hold his liquor better... The pyramid is like that, when it gets too crazy (again which has not happened as far as I'm aware of) the bartender can piint at it as say 'we don't serve drunks' (even though everyone in the bar is drunk, but the one getting expelled is a particular dick).

I really think you see too much doom in this and to be sure, I'm not particularly defending the pyramid, but the purpose and how it's been used I can only truely condone and even say I will stand by it. It's not for shutting people up, it's for (prematurely, like when people breath in and remember the pyramid) dousing the flamewar.

About the porn, there is freespeech endorsement by the FBI (pornhub) for that. One of the problems is just this:

so long as you remove any reported CP links.

Yeah so NO, if the tumbnail displays it, it's too much already. If a mod has to check it (LOL YOU VISITED THE CP LINK NOW) that's a mental burden few can carry for long {If you live in a western country, just search or call the police and ask how those investigations go and how many people need to take breaks of 1-2 years for that kind of shit work, because YEAH seeing that shit when you don't get a stiffy from it is more than disturbing, let alone sickening..)

So I can fully agree for this small team of admins to NOT deal with any of it (because hey, there come the discussions about those amateur pics that might be underage but NOBODY KNOWS... That's dicy.)

If you really need free speech for sexual/porn things, hit me up, I'm dutch and even have connections in the legit scene of the hosting world (who carefully work together with the police), but a 'favorite search engine'-search would find you a platform for that.

As conclusion, see Saidit as a library in which you can have heated arguments... just don't pull out your digglydoo or rub your clitaremaso! Because then you'll get expelled, also when you go from heated to chair-throwing with an argument.

  • Disclaimer: The only relation I have to saidit is that I mod 2 subs and have this account, I do not speak for the creators, hosters nor admins.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 1 funny5 insightful - 0 funny6 insightful - 1 funny -  (1 child)

The bartender analogy is brilliant. Did you just come up with that?

[–]Mnemonic 5 insightful - 2 funny5 insightful - 1 funny6 insightful - 2 funny -  (0 children)

I've been one ;)

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

The pyramid is like that, when it gets too crazy (again which has not happened as far as I'm aware of)

Yeah we have literally never in 15 months banned a single user for the pyramid of debate violation, I'd like to put that on the record.

Nice post.

[–]d3rr 6 insightful - 1 funny6 insightful - 0 funny7 insightful - 1 funny -  (2 children)

What the pyramid means to me is no, this is not an absolute free speech site like Voat, like you said. But it's also not a PC/offending people is not allowed site like Reddit. The pyramid is attempting to create a middle ground, a third way. All is tolerated if it's done without trolling (repeated and intentional ad hominem and name calling). So when the pyramid is viewed as an anti-trolling policy, it's not so subjective or difficult to enforce.

[–]d3rr 4 insightful - 1 funny4 insightful - 0 funny5 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

And admittedly, an anti-trolling site is not for everyone. We're trying something new.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 funny3 insightful - 0 funny4 insightful - 1 funny -  (0 children)

Actually despite appearances, voat isn't an absolute free speech site either. They ban all kinds of things. These are the content rules for voat:

Rules: These guidelines are intended to keep people safe, protect kids, keep Voat running, and to encourage personal responsibility for what you do on Voat. You must:

Keep Everyone Safe: You agree to not intentionally jeopardize the health and safety of others or yourself.

Keep Personal Information Off Voat: You agree to not post anyone's sensitive personal information that relates to that person's real world or online identity.

Do Not Incite Harm: You agree not to encourage harm against people.

Protect Kids: You agree not to post any child pornography or sexually suggestive content involving minors.

Take Personal Responsibility: As you use Voat, please remember that your speech may have consequences and could lead to criminal and civil liability.

Subverses may create their own rules and enforce them as they see fit, providing they do not violate the terms of this agreement. You agree that Voat is not responsible for the actions taken or not taken by moderators.

Spam: You may not post any graphics, text, photographs, images, video, audio or other material that we deem to be junk or spam.

Respect other users: You may not purposefully negate any user's actions to delete or edit their content on Voat. This is intended to respect the privacy of Voat users who delete or edit their content, and is not intended to abridge the fair use or the expressive rights shared by us all.

[–]Demiurgent 1 insightful - 2 funny1 insightful - 1 funny2 insightful - 2 funny -  (1 child)

This place is just a haven for liberals

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 4 funny5 insightful - 3 funny6 insightful - 4 funny -  (0 children)

Are you complaining, because if the lack of porn?