Am I automatically subscribed to new subs when they are made?

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[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm remembering now that the reason we did it was the idea that subscriptions would be opt-out, so you could just unsubscribe from the ones you don't like, rather than subscribing to the ones you do like.

I guess we could add a "subscribe to all" option in the user preferences just like there's an "unsubscribe to all" option. That way people can do an opt-out subscription method if they prefer.

I'm going to talk this over with d3rr in the coming days, then if he thinks it's a good idea then I'll make that post to the community. I've already written it :) This is the default list so far:

/s/pics

/s/maps

/s/technology

/s/worldpolitics

/s/politics

/s/worldnews

/s/news

/s/quotes

/s/collusion

/s/science

/s/privacy

/s/corruption

/s/censorship

/s/Antiwar

/s/finance

/s/business

/s/TechCompanies

/s/Saidit

[–]OldManCorley 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm remembering now that the reason we did it was the idea that subscriptions would be opt-out, so you could just unsubscribe from the ones you don't like, rather than subscribing to the ones you do like.

Which is what I did, and it worked as intended. But after manually filtering the third page it got tedious. That system is at end of life, as planned.

This is the default list so far:

/s/conspiracy 👌😑👍

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All it needs is an indicator in the preferences: All, none (reset to zero), custom.

Default on all.

Any change to All or None automatically switches to custom.

Or check a preset box, after which any custom things would switch to custom...

  • All

  • 0 = a lot of subs have 0 posts, and some are still good to have should folks find it topical

  • 1 = some subs have only 1 post

  • ...

  • 10+ = I'd say more than half of the subs have less than 10 posts.

  • 20 = >80 subs have 20 or more posts

  • custom

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We have an existing list of default subs already that is high visibility in the app before someone logs in, and also on site in 'My Subs'. I like your new list here, the existing list is kind of skimpy and generic. It's good that this is getting attention.

/s/funny

/s/gifs

/s/music

/s/musicvideos

/s/pics

/s/saidit

/s/science

/s/technology

/s/videos

/s/worldnews

(these are set via the command line into some global variable, it's kinda weird)

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not saying this list is right or wrong but I see one huge problem with it through no fault of anyones.

If you know this is the list then you are only going to post stuff under these labels. It doesn't even have entertainment or media or propaganda or YouTube or a lot of things, thing that I'd want over "TechCompanies". So were I to post for example a Tin Foil Hat episode I might be compelled/forced to post it in "news" or ... there is no where else really. You didn't even list "conspiracy". It's not about what you did or did not list. It's that this list whatever it may contain will EXCLUDE a lot else.

People post for whatever reasons. Some for points. Some for eyes. Some for passion or purpose or whatever. Most posts are meant to be seen. Being seen would mean conforming to a list.

I've just talked myself into hating the list.

I'm willing to be talked out of it.

I have another idea that doesn't really improve things but is something to consider.

On 2019-01-02 I made made this table - https://infogalactic.com/info/SaidIt#Site . It was painful but once I started I was determined to finish it. I wasn't subbed to several subs in the last month, I'd guess under 20 of the latest are not included. In this table the "Posts" columns are sortable by number.

Maybe there's a way set this up in code on SaidIt rather than manually. Discounting the 0-post-subs you have a VERY clear indicator of the most populated subs, for whatever reasons. Maybe you can create other statistics based on votes and fun too, to really source the literally popular subs. (ie. My (fictional) "MaxHeadroom" sub with 50 posts is ignored by everyone - so it has a lot of post but is not popular.)

Once again, you'd get pooling/puddling People posting where the eyes go, rather than under the best sub title - thus this defeats the main purpose of the sub titles - to better classify the torrent of incoming content.

I'm adamantly against the lists that will collect into puddles of mush.

OR

Make the mush puddles AND improve or upgrade to a better internal search engine. DuckDuckGo and Google search suck ass on SaidIt. These may be fixable. There are ways to ask their bots to search and scan SaidIt, and I'm sure there's apps or something that might be able to ping them and the InternetArchive, etc.

I really hope I don't sound grumpy. This is all IMHO.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So were I to post for example a Tin Foil Hat episode I might be compelled/forced to post it in "news" or

But you realize 99% of users just look at /all because it's the front page, right? So only some tiny portion, like 1%, would be excluded by posting it to a non-default sub. Seems like a non-problem tbh

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do your statistics really reflect that or did you figuratively guess that?

I used to use "hot" and "new" and "comments" only - never "all". Trying to break my addiction I stopped using "comments" - ironically before you created the "comments" tab.

I hope to stop using "new" soon too. (So I can focus on projects.)

This will leave me in the same position I was just complaining about that is inherent in Reddit too. The "hot" items will be "popular" but not necessarily the best if there aren't enough folks actually sifting through all of it.

Similarily on Reddit, stats prove that the first dozen comments are waaaay more likely to be voted the best even if #50 of 100 is clearly the best. It's a flaw of the system.

It's also quantity problem. I'm overwhelmed here and feel like I'm missing stuff. Like anything I guess. Can't read all the books, see all the movies, hear all the music, etc.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I used to use "hot" and "new"

Those are /all. The selections at the very very top ("home", "all", "subscribed") are supercategories, and the sorting methods like "hot", "new", etc are subcategories of those. So when you visit "hot" you're visting the hot sort of /home (which is basically a mirror of /all with /s/ads missing).

For any of the subscription stuff to matter at all, you would have to have clicked "subscribed" at the very top, and then browse "hot" and "new" that way.

The fact you hadn't found this (despite being such a dedicated user) just kind of backs up my guess that 99% of users have never clicked it and thus never used their subscriptions

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Good to know. Thanks.

So I'm a dedicated user. Does that mean I'm no longer a noob? Do I get a badge? (I hate Wiki badges.)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah like magnora said we're essentially talking about the /s/subscribed page policy, which on reddit is the home page, but here we have /s/all minus ads as the home page. So we are already very biased toward showing all subs and all content to everyone. So we have de-emphasized this default list of subs. It is still important I guess, maybe we'll do a saidit survey so community picked subs also end up on the default list.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you guys think my table and/or statistics are useful at all?

It seems to me that it should be rather easy to code (but I know nothing about the gut of SaidIt) and it seems like being able to have sub (and post and other) usage statistics would have many uses - including determining the most active/popular subs for your list, watching trends, etc.

I'd be shocked if it wasn't already embedded in the code somehow. Then again, whoever configured the flair... ...and without multiple metatags... ...maybe it wouldn't shock me.