Saidit is its own worst enemy - a combination of mean and stupid - which keeps Saidit very small and ultra right-wing

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[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You need a trusted-team AND an inspired community plus ongoing open communications using an open management system. This is not new, but you won't even consider it.

You mean like the admin team of 10 people and all the subreddit moderators and the voting system that we've been doing for a long time now? Your anger isn't helping, and your ideas aren't novel because we've already implemented them.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Firstly, general name-calling has gotten way out of control, especially in chat, and is IMO the primary catalyst for all this forum sliding and uncivil culture.

You mean like the admin team of 10 people and all the subreddit moderators and the voting system that we've been doing for a long time now?

Give me a break. I very well recall your new arbitrary top-down decree, as usual, without consulting the community until it was demanded amid ongoing problems, and then poorly done. From with your new take on the old rules, SaidIt's been MUCH shittier since, sliding towards Voat, Poal, and Ruqqus culture. Regardless and critically important: it is still NOT a bottom-up open system. FOTPACH (fair, open, transparent, peaceful, accountable, consistent, honest) was invented for YOU because you could not manage well nor ethically.

Most importantly, you've completely failed to have consistent communications with your community on how things are managed, much less anything else (goals, promotion, support, growth, etc.). I've said for years that SaidIt needs a newsletter, regular developments (besides the Canary), some special announcement links (ie. sidebox under the broken search), regular PSAs (public service announcements), noob tutorials, advanced guides, better FAQ content, etc.

I've not been very active lately, however I've not been so out of the loop to miss too much - such as admin announcements.

Your anger isn't helping, and your ideas aren't novel because we've already implemented them.

What isn't helping is your lack of leadership skills and refusal to open things up transparently and fairly. You may have PARTIALLY implemented some of my ideas, and others', but that doesn't mean they're actually functional, much less optimal, or even effective when they are utterly incomplete and still top-down.

Further, this is the first time you've bothered to acknowledge anything I've shared in many months - maybe even a year. You either unblocked me or decided to not ignore me and finally engaged. Regardless, you may continue to flounder further hiding behind backhanded bullshittery, or can employ our community's collective assistance by actually listening instead of insulting folks.

Playing it "safe" means you're incapable or afraid of experimenting and trying new things to improve SaidIt. Stop worrying about "what if" and take action. If it fails then undo it. If it succeeds move on to the next improvement strategy. Your "leadership" efforts thus far don't indicate any legitimate worry about SaidIt's numbers anyway.

[–]HibikiBlack 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Magnora may have his flaws but he is no tyrant. He is still offering to listen to options, It's just that he seems to has trust issues about the people who handle content on the site. The community by itself can already do a lot of the things you say, I myself wish I could get more involved in such things but the posting and fighting by itself already drains me.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't call him a tyrant.

He hasn't listened to many folks in years.

He has issues that aren't limited to trust.

But so do we all.

Yes, the community can do much, but it's either limited, unguided, or needs the extra validation of the ultimate authority: admins. Otherwise it's just gangs with empty threats, limited to harassment at worst or forum shaming at best. /s/SaidItCommunity was started to develop new ideas and more, but I've since been preoccupied with other priorities.

Ask yourself, how much more important are your posts (that revisit old news) than investing in and developing our online communities?

magnora7's centralized top-down management style holds SaidIt back more than he can possibly realize and everyone else just talks and talks with few who are able bothering to do anything to improve anything - so I've given up trying with SaidIt folks. That's why I was going to start some Lemmy instances, but now I really don't care about them much either. SaidIt users suck, expecting free shit, giving nothing, complaining that I'm asking for "free" help (when I pay). Local communities have their own set of pros and cons, but at least we're taking action, getting results, experience, and positive results. So my focus starts local first now, bottom-up, then expands outward - like my first sub /s/DecentralizeAllThings.

[–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Well, I can't consider myself to be religious by most standards. Religion tends to be dogmatic and I can't say I always follow certain principles. But a lot of the traumas in my life have let me to believe that there is a certain sacred aspect towards ethics themselves.

/u/magnora7 You should listen to this too. One of the things that let me to the information war was, well, I've always been paranoid towards technology and the way people slowly became more and more hyper-connected to each other with everyday that went by, and I began to wonder, what if someone, the government or whatever, started using technology for evil? As I navigated the Internet in a naive fashion and became familiar with the way Post-Modernism screwed up the level of discouse, it let me to have a huge mental breakdown and I got involved with the far-right groups. (I learned the things I know about the Holocaust from them)

Now the most obvious thing to do from the ethical point of view when it comes to leadership, would be, well think of a plan of taking down the bad guys. I've always thought about doing something like embracing rebellion, but I've never had quite the motivation to go all out in such a fashion until I found out about the Vatican being behind the destruction of my hometown. (Which by the way, sorry again for my behaviour back then but It's like another personality was created in me that I couldn't control and was in a frenzied state for months)

Either way, outside of Saidit itself, I've thought of ways of exposing people to my ideas and theories and people actually love my content in mass. I always promote Saidit while I do this at the same time and yet despite people loving my ideas in mass, the hard truth is that most people are too apathetic and cynical like to believe they can even make a difference at all and give up without even trying.

Now It's not like the censorship is there and people are confused, they are exposed to and legit like my stuff, but are beaten by their own defeatism regardless... And that right there is enough to drive anyone into depression.

But despite all this, there's something deep inside that tells me that there is a lot of value in what I do and that I was always supposed to do this. And that there's meaning in the things I've done and the people that I've touched along the way. That's why I keep up with my work over here despite everything that happens. It seems that the larger my collections grows, the more determined and frustrated the shills get in taking me down but I also keep getting better too. It's crazy how much we've exchanged blows with each other at this point.

Either way I'm just trying to narrate what has motivated me as time has gone by. I hope it gives you an insight about what to do from now on. I would appreciate for you to stay around a little longer until I can share a large part of my records with you guys.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I would appreciate for you to stay around a little longer until I can share a large part of my records with you guys.

Post less, organize more, until it's all done, then resume as you were or evolve with new habits. Your records would be better if people could search through them with or without context (on WikiSpooks, InfoGalactic, Projex.Wiki, torrent, IPFS, TOR, etc) on their own time with their own agendas, rather than have them wait for you to repost.