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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

The amount of vaccine disinformation is concerning.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

There was a misleading article about Corona vaccines causing AIDs that was popular. Apparently half of everyone was going to die by January. Many of the claims can't be proven or debunked as easily.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can get its pants on.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

And who is to be the final arbiter of truth? This is how we end up burning heretics. Which, mainstream social media does do in a virtual sense.

There's pro-vaccine propaganda too, the anti Ivermectin camp is quite obviously funded by big pharma. There's absolutely no medical sense to not co administer a harmless drug on the off chance it might help. The response was suspiciously disproportionate.

I read Pfizer is the number one owned stock in Congress.

It's looking like this vaccine is just another flu shot, in that it constantly needs to be taken, and they're probably going to guess the wrong strains.

Not that it even matters because we'd never vaccinate 100% of the population and even if we did we would not eradicate it.

So my point is, why even care so much about the vaccine at this point? If it helps you, great, but it doesn't matter who takes it. Might even be bad. Either way, seems like a pointless cause now.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And who is to be the final arbiter of truth?

Academic communities of scientists, who publish the results of extensive, thorough research, testing &c.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Fuck those nerds, dude. Why would you ever trust so much power to academia. These are the same people who flip flop constantly on which side you're supposed to lay a baby. Scientists who often can't reproduce their studies.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Who else are you going to trust? Believe 1000s of researchers who are working with facts and the scientific method, or a Joe Rogan type imbecile at patriots.win, or indeed an anonymous person on Saidit who claims he/she saw a video that says the opposite of the professional scientists? Guess who is funding the anti-science propaganda, and why they do this. Consider that so many of the posts on Saidit aren't factual, and what their sources are. If I were to try to influence anything at Saidit, it would be the encouragement of users to look for the facts in these posts, rather than merely believe in them without question.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Who else are you going to trust?

Isn't that the trillion dollar question.

1000s of researchers who are working with facts and the scientific method,

Antidepressants and cox-2 inhibitors are two fantastic examples of why you can't blindly trust scientists. The science said they were useful. The first one, although we know it barely works and has serious side effects, still is actively being prescribed. People use scientists, they're puppets. And your side believes them selectively. If Dr. Joe Smith from Idaho says the covid vaccine makes your dick fall off, then you ignore him.

Joe Rogan

I can't really speak much to this guy cause I loved him as Joe on News Radio but I'm not into MMA or podcasts. The bit of the interview I saw with Sanjay Gupta, Rogan made good points. He strikes me as an intelligent guy who speaks what he believes to the best of his understanding.

Guess who is funding the anti-science propaganda, and why they do this.

Who, where is the money behind anti-science?

Consider that so many of the posts on Saidit aren't factual

I think the issue is more often that you're ideologically opposed to the posts than their factuality. Not that everything you read on the internet is ever true, but as a long time reddit user I don't know how you would have two barns, one big one piled high with shit and a smaller one with just a little poop, and point to the little barn and say "what a dump" like Liz Taylor in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. I should respond properly, but I have to log off for now. Essentially: I agree it's good to be skeptical. Indeed, the reason I am here is to read posts I normally don't agree with. But I do differentiate between opinions and facts, with particular interest in the facts (which I think aren't ideological). And regarding piles of shit - for what it's worth - I remember my mother telling me (very long ago): if I were told to go to a barn and see what's in there, I'd open the doors, see a tall pile of shit, and would search nonetheless under that shit for the pony underneath. Not flattering, but there it is. I have difficulty motivating myself to hate people (normally).

[–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They trust and believe Joe Rogan because he's alpha.

Shalom

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Yep - Italian/Irish Boston 'wise ass' commedian alpha jock who peaked in the mid-90s (I thought some of his stuff was partially funny back then), but has since then learned that he could make so much more money promoting right-wing hatred, fear, trash-talk, and general idiocy that people like and want to hear and identify with. He had of course no proper political knowledge, nor has he read any reasonable books on the subject - if he reads at all - and thus promotes the brainless know-it-all image that one doesn't have to concern themselves with facts, but rather trust loud, aggressive, hostile, dim-witted comments by people like him, which aren't interesting or clever. He lowers the bar on political discourse so that right-wing voters can reach it, and thereby join in a chorus of hatred, lies, paranoia, fear, anger and stupidity that rallies their groups against the 99%, for the sake of the GOP 1%. And yes there are some terrible liberals, but that's not my main point here. He's causing siginficant harm to many in the US, in much the same way Rush Limbaugh and Roger Ailes did, though the latter was not as stupid. They're trash, of the worst kind.

[–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said, no better explanation of the kind of person he is and why idiots follow him.

Shalom

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

You mean where? In the mainstream media?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

On SaidIt.

I'm a doctor. I trust peer-reviewed research in internationally respected journals over some random people on an anonymous forum.

[–]In-the-clouds 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So many doctors and nurses are losing their jobs because they refuse to take the mRNA injections. And that is why so many hospitals are understaffed or "overwhelmed". There must be something wrong with these injections for so many medical professionals to be willing to lose their jobs for refusing to take the "vaccines".

[–]Pis-dur 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, it's better to get infected by whole virus with his DNA and RNA than some part of it in injection. /s

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe you didn't know, but many viruses do not have DNA.... and are RNA only. The COVID shots could be considered to contain a fully formed virus itself, since they contain RNA (messenger RNA) that hijack the host body's cells to manufacture spike proteins, and many people are getting sick after receiving the shots.

'COVID-19, short for “coronavirus disease 2019,” is caused by the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. Like many other viruses, SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus. This means that, unlike in humans and other mammals, the genetic material for SARS-CoV-2 is encoded in ribonucleic acid (RNA). The viral RNA is sneaky: its features cause the protein synthesis machinery in humans to mistake it for RNA produced by our own DNA.'

source: https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/covid-19-rna-coronavirus-research-428952/

[–]Pis-dur 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wanted to simplify the example - getting whole virus vs getting just a spike.
Your quote from the study doesn't differentiate between part of mRNA (spike) in vaccine and mRNA of a whole virus. Also, it mensions RNA, not mRNA. Reading the whole article (and hundreds of others), it says that vaccines contain mRNA of part of virus (spike), not whole virus. People are sick after receiving the shots, because they their immune system recognize that spike protein is not a host element.
Also, I feel that overal outcome in article about mRNA vaccines is that they are very good and in many aspects better type of vaccines than traditional ones.
Interesting readings:
- https://www.dictionary.com/e/dna-vs-rna-vs-mrna-the-differences-are-vital/
- https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go
Not an expert, just like reading stuff and checking facts (maybe someday we will have actual experts on Saidit :D )
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clarification

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm a student of biology. Doctors understand about 0.000000000000000% of how the body works. Also, your whole microbe theory of medicine is bullshit. Even Pasteur admitted it. Terrain or change your scam.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's right, Horrux. Now you've scared him off with your 0% nonsense. It's impossible to develop a reasonable discussion with someone who argues with obviously false reasoning like this:

Doctors understand about 0.000000000000000% of how the body works.