/s/Passports seems to be breaking rule 4a) "Mods cannot remove user comments that are both in good faith and on-topic."

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[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

How many times have I told ActuallyNot and socks not to comment on my posts?

You are a perpetual nay-sayer, as in your name, inauthentic, sealioning, lying, and shilling for authoritarianism and big pharma and advocating for their harms to humanity - and your OP is selectively quoting the SaidIt-wide Mod Rules where it clearly states:

4. Mods must not remove user comments and posts that are on-topic and made in good faith UNLESS one of these conditions are met:

    1. It's clearly stated in the sub's sidebar that the moderators remove opposing opinions AND the mods must uncheck the sub setting allow this sub to be included in /s/all as well as the default and trending lists so that the sub won't appear on /s/all.

    2. The name of the sub must ends with "positive" or "negative" to clearly indicate the sub's intentional bias, thus allowing the sub to appear on /s/all.

Clearly in the sidebox of that sub you'll find a single rule:

1) No spam, sealioning, STABs (shills, trolls, and bots), nor liars.

 

The only questions now are:

Should we of SaidIt be forced to make this sub semi-private off of /s/all or completely private?

Or should we be forced to tolerate sealions, shills, propaganda, and lies?

Does /u/ActuallyNot ever actually act in good faith?

Is "cockwomble" name calling?

Is "cockwomble" worthy of a strike?

Does anyone else want to co-moderate /s/Passports (also for social credits and mandates)?

 

/u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr may weigh in as they see fit and I'll respect their decision(s).

[–]Node 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Does /u/ActuallyNot "Who the hell is upvoting racist assholes?" https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/80f8/how_to_avoid_sdebatealtright/tz3q [+6] ever actually act in good faith?

Not sure about good faith, but I think I've seen him make some reasonable statements on non-covidhoax topics. But it's like he's being directly paid directly by the drug companies when he talks about the covidhoax.

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

Everyone knows propagandists have to mix poison lies in with the sweet truth for people to swallow it.

I'll never deny that ActuallyNot or socks may have good points occasionally, often seeming sincere.

I'll always be surprised at the number of SaidIt regulars who don't see through their bullshit.

Obviously I have a problem with their inauthenticity, "Oh yes, I'll look at what you've countered with," but they ignore it and keep shilling their bullshit lies and authoritarianism.

Banning ActuallyNot and socks from /s/Passports/about/log is an intentional experiment of discovery and consequences. I'm for freedom of expression, but I'm also against pollution, sealioning noise, and bullshit lies that advocate for the ruling class' harms to humanity. They are free to "express themselves" on the corporate platforms they view as legitimate sources of information where they would be welcomed. But as authoritarians, they do not support alternatives as I do.

In a few weeks I'll have been on SaidIt for a few years, and a few weeks ago I did my first non-spam moderation action when I banned /u/Popper from /s/StandUpWindsor/about/log/. That got me thinking about it, and as you know we've been thinking and occasionally working on /s/Cassy stuff, including how to better organize (see also /s/Organizing) and manage indie social media platforms to be FOTPACH (Fair, Open, Transparent, Peaceful, Accountable, Consistent, Honest).

Also a few weeks ago I started /s/SaidItCommunity " for organizing bottom-up self-reliance solutions, guides to lead by example rather than by dictate, and to develop ways to help and support each other and our community, rather than overburden and depend upon top-down mods and admins - for a fair, open, better user experience. " The lessons we might learn and share may come in handy on many ground-up social media platforms beyond just SaidIt or Cassy if we can develop and present them clearly on the /s/Projex wiki and elsewhere. Instead of inconsistent owners' whims, vague corporate terms (Facebook, Reddit, YouTube), or hierarchy commie mobs (Wikipedia), it would be nice to have foundational manifestos and constitutions, rules, guides, and other tools for respectable self-regulating platforms. Here are more similar musings. Until the Projex.Wiki is up to start laying out and documenting all of this concretely, it's all just theoretically moot.

But back to the issues of shills, as well as your comment with citing links, and how it relates to /s/SaidItCommunity... In this comment I stated, " Among the many areas of potential, this includes making open transparent lists and records to collect evidence on problematic users to not only build up cases for banishment if necessary, but also to help clearly educate visitors, newbs, and rare to casual users to the infiltration agents of chaos that infect all social media, as well as their techniques. Naturally I welcome folks to make a list on me if they like. Critically important: this must not turn into an unjust witch hunt, immediately or via slow corruption over time. [...] For starters we need good ideas and decent neutral terms for our social-media-self-management projects, including these "Caution Lists" for lack of a better name. "

And now I have a some questions.

  • What do you think in general?
  • What do you think of /s/SaidItCommunity and do you have any ideas for it?
  • What do you think of making "Caution Lists" in /s/SaidItCommunity/wiki? (Projex.Wiki may be of better use with more robust deeper wiki features, including better wiki history tools.)
  • How can we further avoid false witch hunts? (Lists may build cases for people to make up their own minds, thus this is a (potentially flawed) step toward fair solutions.)
  • Would you consider developing this system and/or helping keep track/build cases? (As you did with your comment citation above.)
  • Could this be a solution to sealioning traps that lead to endless stupidity and downward debates?
  • Is this just unnecessary bureaucracy?

What do you think /u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr?

Until this past weekend I've had an intense few months, some I have yet to share on SaidIt and Projex, and some I never will. This week I've been in limbo, chilling and cleaning while waiting on a several things. The intensity may kick off again or it may be over for the winter. Either way, at least half if not most of my winter I aim to be focusing on /s/SaidItCommunity, /s/Projex, /s/Cassy, and /s/LeverMind projects.

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I've started several replies over the past few days. Right now am attempting to reduce my tabs to under 150, so will just say I went to the farmers market today for the first time in a year and a half. Damned maskers.

But I walked in unconfronted this time, and the one guy from out of the area, who I deem innocent, was there with his 20 types of dates from some enormous date farm in southern California. Got 8 pounds of my favorite types of dates.

Everyone else can fuck off and die.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

A date with death.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

If you get the chance, try some unpollinated Dayri. They have no seed or end cap. I like the dryer dates, and especially dates like the Deglet Noor that turn hard as the sugars crystalize.

I've found the site of the farm that grows and sells them. https://flyingdiscranch.com/

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Saved.

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Didn't check shipping, but the pound costs are equal or lower than the farmers market price.

I rationed the last dates I got in 2020, and only finished them about a month ago. Just kept them in the paper bags on my counter, and over the year they got deliciously hard from the crystallization. They also have the soft and gooey dates, if you like those.

[–]DNAhelicase 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

What do you think /u/magnora7 and /u/d3rr?

d3rr already responded an hour ago. Maybe address that response - https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/8iom/spassports_seems_to_be_breaking_rule_4a_mods/vnim ASAP - and stop breaking 4a? THEN further discussion can be appropriate.

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I did respond.

It seems he wrote his two paragraphs as I took the time to draft my lengthy ideas for improving SaidIt's community.

You've strangely responded from nowhere, only making demands, offering nothing constructive.

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[–]Optimus85 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Pathetic.

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Or should we be forced to tolerate sealions, shills, propaganda, and lies?

Yes, that is the whole point of this site, moderating fair fights for the unkempt masses.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Or should we be forced to tolerate sealions, shills, propaganda, and lies?

Yes, that is the whole point of this site, moderating fair fights for the unkempt masses.

I guess that's why you changed it from AntiExtremes.

Actually not unkempt masses or just dirty socks?

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never censor

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

never censor

I agree. I also agree with cleaning up trash. We need to clarify how to manage the grey area.