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[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

I love his praise of saidit (and man does it warm my heart to hear someone knowledgeable say "I wish we had thought of that"). I also think he is dead-on about his assessment that saidit got stuck being perceived publicly as "just a reddit clone". Even though we made a lot of changes to the functionality, he is correct about the general perception of saidit. Just kind of reaffirms my idea that we should launch another separate site and just pay someone on fiverr.com like $500 to completely redo all the CSS to look modern (and most importantly very different from old.reddit.com style), name it like xangleborp.com or something and roll the dice again. And just let saidit keep being saidit. Our costs are so low that we could run 5 websites for the amount of money it took ruqqus to run one, lol.

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we should launch another separate site and just pay someone on fiverr.com like $500 to completely redo all the CSS to look modern

Works for me. I'd like to see the saidit branding change to more accurately reflect what it is, something like 'civilly debate anything'. Maybe that's just small potatoes but it could help toward not being "just a reddit clone". I love how the Ruqqus guy throws that criticism our way all the time while he also builds "just a reddit clone".

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I've realized the difference between "something totally new" and "just a reddit clone" is literally just the appearance of the UI for 99% of people. Ruqqus was "different" literally only because it looked different. I think genuinely many people see old.reddit.com layout and they instinctually assume it's corrupt in the same way because it visually looks the same. This is one thing ruqqus got right, and I'd say honestly it's the main reason they caught on so much. It just looked fresh.

I'll start poking around fiverr and see if I can find someone competent who will take on this huge CSS project.

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they instinctually assume it's corrupt in the same way because it visually looks the same

You're totally right, it's the goddamn CSS. They constantly talked about Ruqqus being purple.

I'd say honestly it's the main reason they caught on so much

It helped for sure, but I think their killer feature was their "US free speech" content policy. They were citing case law and shit in their content policy docs. They unleashed that amidst the /r/thedonald slow push off of Reddit. They pulled in Trumpers who were scared of Voat. But then it all backfired when Voat imploded over their insane hosting costs. You are right about us being able to run 5 websites for the cost of 1, that's one of our killer features. Aaron Swartz and Spez designed it well back in the day.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm as keen as anyone on good branding, design, and makeovers, but I wonder if there are any other more pressing issues that need to be dealt with first.

[–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Like updating the app, maybe?

[–]MarkJefferson 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're totally right, it's the goddamn CSS. They constantly talked about Ruqqus being purple.

They really had a purple fetish. Frankly, I always felt Ruqqus interface was pretty ugly. It had those needlessly large guild links on the side, when it could just show more links at a glance if they cut out the icons. Saidit is so much more simple and pleasant to look at. And I never had a problem using the desktop interface. And you can save comments/posts. Like, sure it's an old.reddit clone- but if the non-clones look and work like Ruqqus, then well...

Well, they were still loads better than voat, I guess.. lol. Terrible site that.

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Yeah I wasn't a fan of their UI either. They wasted like 250px of vertical space on every list page with the fake "submit a post" field.

And you can save comments/posts.

amen

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It helped for sure, but I think their killer feature was their "US free speech" content policy.

Yeah that's a good point, but they were far from unique in that regard. This plus their CSS (and the fact the site worked smoothly) is truly the thing that set them apart. Then they just lost control of the culture once it grew past a certain size, and I think the ruqqus admin team fractured from external pressures (real or manufactured). So the craziness of the culture they manufactured ended up being their downfall, in a way. They had a tiger by the tail and lost control. Meanwhile saidit has a more level-headed culture, which is more sustainable.

You are right about us being able to run 5 websites for the cost of 1, that's one of our killer features. Aaron Swartz and Spez designed it well back in the day.

Amen to that!