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[–]d3rr[A] 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I'm down to add a few more subs to the 'default subs' list since it hasn't been updated in like a year. Especially something covid related. I like your list for adding actually OP: /s/911Truth, /s/ClimateSkepticism, /s/Coronavirus, /s/CorruptScience, /s/LockdownSkepticism, /s/VaccineInjuries, /s/VaccineSkepticism

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for being open to updating/upgrading. I really wish I/we'd thought of this sooner.

I don't want to bother you with this just yet, so maybe we want to wait until all the feedback comes in. We may want to take another survey on Monday afternoon for the weekday folks. However, if it's really easy to do now, then go for it.

I can compile a giant list (or a few lists or tables ranked by my subjective priority) for your consideration and/or folks to weigh in on. This need not be all about me, but a seed to catalyze discussion may be necessary. It might also be worth drafting up some other lists as multisubs: "NSFW" (with images) and "Unsuitable Concepts" (controversial words only). We can wait and see or you can ask me to fetch.

[–]thefirststone 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

Browsing /all/new is every user's duty, so he can catch interesting news and insouciant spam. Always has been. Simple as.

Diligent users already see the "all" tab. Either they ignore it or they use it. There is a strong argument that /all/new should be a logged-in user's default front page. After all, you can bookmark other pages, if you prefer to see that.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

As d3rr stated:

the default "home page" will never be /s/all. This takes away the very little editorial power that saidit has, in choosing the "default subs" for /s/subscribed. This is where saidit can present itself as not full of /s/debatealtright or something similar.

And I agreed:

I'm not suggesting that be changed. I just want more user awareness about their options and that a deeper SaidIt is possible. IMO this is important to the new and occasional visitors who may be looking for more but don't know the ins and outs. We could add something to the FAQ.

It seems to me that we need to discuss:

  • new FAQ information related to this post
  • new default subs
  • resigning some default subs
  • which subs are "problematic" but worth knowing about
  • making lists of subs, perhaps around topics (and sharing them in /s/DiscoverSaidIt)
  • how we want to organize subs and topical information on Cassy projects

[–]skeech 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

jason carswell,

you are making this announcement because i had to spoon feed you and argue with you that this is even an issue.

management does not like to address its shortcomings.

this is why i would not write code behind you.

it would be like spoon feeding children.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Actually, I'm expanding on and repeating my previous announcement.

As I stated, I already knew about the issues. Thank you for pushing back and making me notice they are interrelated.

It doesn't negate the fact that your 3 posts belonged in /s/VaccineInjuries because there are doubtless going to be hundreds, thousands, and perhaps millions more and we don't need them all clogging up /s/news and /s/whatever.

It doesn't negate the fact that most of the SaidIt core users follow /s/All or have All selected in their preferences for the front page.

It also doesn't negate the need for better organization on SaidIt in the topical subs for lack of metatags. Future researchers will value the cumulative effort we put in now.

We can lobby d3rr to make some changes to the default subs. Here's an outdated big list of many of the best subs, IMO: /s/Surveillance/wiki/index#wiki_list_of_potentially_topically_related_saidit_subs Let's discuss them and others now. Also, bring up topics you like and we may already have a sub for it, or some that are related. Perhaps you want to moderate some. Talk it out.

I'm not management, but I do try to lead by example. Sometimes I get misunderstood and sometimes I just fail. Always I try.

this is why i would not write code behind you.

I'm not asking you to write code behind me, under me, or for me. You're unpredictable, volatile, and I suspect you're not too dependable. Regardless, in September we'll be discussing and outlining some ideas for the Cassandra Team projects and you are free to consider them and if you want to do anything for them, lead a solo project, or pick holes in our efforts and shit all over them. Criticism can be valuable too - but it's usually better when constructive. You can prejudge them before you even see them - or when the time comes you may volunteer as you see fit. Eventually we hope to develop a code-bounty system that will payout cash or crypto upon delivery. These projects are not for me. These projects are for our SaidIt and the expanding truth-seeker communities.

[–]skeech 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not management, but I do try to lead by example

you are management material. I have worked under many phd management people, and you have the necessary ingredients to walk on that level. you dont get emotional, that is most important..

no, i am not interested to write code for saidit.. i will admit that i am a loose cannon and i am unpredictable and i am not the most dependable person on the block.. but hey, writing code at the level that i write code has nothing to do with being at my desk at 8am and leaving at 5pm on schedule daily, lol.. dependable on my level is about drinking forty gallons of coffee and smoking four ounces of weed and playing some AC/DC real loud and getting this shit done FIRST FIRST CLASS.

but i dont wanna work for you... i wanna work for me.. my site is going to be so ultra simple that at first you will swear that it isnt even a social media site.. lol..

i just cracked my knuckles.

burp..

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I've directed animation, live-action, and many creative projects - cooperatively. I despise authority almost as much as I loathe lies, so I avoid it or taking it at all costs - even at my own detriment. I don't get emotional much online, though I am passionate. In person I often don't have the time or focus to not be as emotional. Also, I'm not consistent / reliable / timely on many fronts. I want to be, but not enough to create the good habits necessary.

I don't want you to work for me. I hope you might consider some stuff in September (or later if I'm not timely), and then choose to take them on for your own reasons - or choose not to, as you like.

[–]skeech 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

in a nutshell, you need to do a ground-up from scratch rebuild..

the first thing that you want to do in designing a web application is focus on laying out the tables of the mysql database, and drawing up mockups of the various pages of the site.

the mysql tables should be able to store the relevant information that is required to render the various pages that you have mocked up..

rough draft mockups can first be made up with a marking pen or with a crayon..

final mockups should be developed as actual html and these static pages should be delivered to your development team along with the mysql database tables and sample queries.

i am a big fan of developing web applications using C language(gcc compiler) on a nice tight and thin linux box.

number one, maybe we want to shitcan that cloudflare nonsense and we would want to handle any of that functionality directly inside of our custom developed web server software.

the web server would be VERY stripped down and simplified and would also be the actual web application.

no more apache server.

web server and web application would all be wrapped up into one application that would bind to port 80.

very nice documentation about how to write a web server in C language for linux:

http://www.beej.us/guide/bgnet/html/

(i have at one time read every character of the above linked document from beej, i read it character by character... i know the entire thing by memory, or at least i did)

i do not take shortcuts.

also, it is so easy to have the site be rendered on the clearnet AND the darkweb using the same code.

video: brain research laboratory

https://youtu.be/8On7rktFZME

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you dont get emotional,

Unless socks is involved.

[–]thefirststone 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Editorial discretion is for normies who don't log in, tbh. Weak argument.

But I agree on the other stuff. I'd like to have a way to see all the "problematic" subs in one place, in fact.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Editorial discretion is for normies who don't log in, tbh. Weak argument.

I agree, but I respect the M7D3 founding concepts for SaidIt. /s/Cassy will be different and have an open process - but it won't be wild chaos either.

I'd like to have a way to see all the "problematic" subs in one place, in fact.

That is a terrific idea!!! It might be worth having at least two of them though. "NSFW" and "Unsuitable Concepts" (I do not like to /s/WatchPeopleDie, but there aren't words I need to avoid.) I stopped categorizing SaidIt subs a couple years ago (long story) so you can ignore the bottom majority of this wiki post, but the top is important about MultiSubs that combine multiple subs into one feed. There are Linked-Multisubs and User-Multisubs like the many I've created in /u/JasonCarswell, in the sidebox listed below the subs I moderate. You can copy my user-multisubs to your own user's profile where you can then customize them - or you can just start your own lists.

Here's one linked-multisub off the top of my head:
/s/911Truth+ClimateSkepticism+Coronavirus+CorruptScience+DebateAltRight+LockdownSkepticism+VaccineInjuries+VaccineSkepticism

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I do not like to /s/WatchPeopleDie

There is some potential advantage found there for people who wish to continue living.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not suggesting it be censored. I'm just differentiating the controversial content. Perhaps there are other differences we should consider too that I haven't thought of.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Isn't /s/debatealtright hidden unless you're a subscriber? Much like /s/lbgdropthet ?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The mods choose if they want to be on /s/All or not or are private.

Typo: /s/lbgdropthet
IFIFY: /s/LGBDropTheT
I checked if I was subbed or not.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah but I thought some were removed.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. Why would it be?

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

insouciant spam

s/all/comments is a great place to catch spam comments. Those often lead to other spammer accounts, as it's common for them to interact.

[–]AmericanMuskrat 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I do this already, and I still miss stuff.

[–]Fisuxcel 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I dont like the default subs. Imo if I join reddit like forums it should not automatically subscribe to anything.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The default used to auto-subscribe new users to all subs. But the subs were chaos without management. Worse, new subs are being created all the time and people were/are not aware of them, much less not auto-subscribed to them. I don't know if they consulted the community when they picked their preferred list, or consulted the community when they decided to implement it. I understood their decision but was never for it.

Many times I've considered doing regular announcements covering the latest subs. They wouldn't need to be by any schedule, as long as subs weren't unfairly omitted. There are many other things like this that might be good for SaidIt as a community. Many of them could be auto-generated too, with a coder or few.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same. Maybe offer me a list and show me metrics but don't force me into subscription.

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    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    [–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Now try s/all/comments to view by activity level.

    There's also a 'notall', but I've forgotten the link for that view.

    [–]Yin 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Good PSA!

    I'm suddenly smashed in the face with this profound realization

    I love smashing people in the face with info! ;) lol

    [–]dissidentrhetoric 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    The Default should just represent the most popular subreddits i think.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    How do you measure popularity? Some are much older than others. Some already have the special privilege of access to the front page. Some are popular but not public and some are not allowed to be public for their controversies.

    [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    some are not allowed to be public for their controversies.

    I'd like an s/all and s/all/comments that's genuinely ALL subs. Maybe excepting those that really want to be a private conversation.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed.

    Needs a good new term. Libre? Open? Free? AllPlus?

    Or maybe current "All" needs a downgrade to make room for the genuine all (except private)?

    Subscribed / Most / All ?

    I feel like we discussed this a couple years ago.

    [–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Easy, number of posts, votes and comments.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Easy, number of posts, votes and comments.

    What's the magic ratio equation, and how does the sub's age factor in? And who's going to write a script to tally all this up?

    What if there's an important topic that doesn't get a lot of traffic? ie. /s/Fulfillment and /s/WellBeing are new and /s/Cooperatives and /s/FLOSS I have sadly neglected, but IMO it's critical. Obviously I created those but there are many others like them by others that could and should also be included.

    [–]dissidentrhetoric 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I would have thought daily hits or something like that or maybe total subs.

    [–]Popper 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    sucks having to unsubscribe to everything every time I make a new name. Probably annoying to new people trying to figure out how to do that. Best to keep things simple, let people start subbing to things they're interested in.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Knowing is half the battle.
    Many newbs and casual users don't know all the tricks, like subbing, much less how to find their subs of interest - especially when they have unusual names.

    [–]Popper 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    anyone coming here will have been to reddit and will know how it works. Find subs thru all and thru searching for them, and anyone on the internet knows how to use a search bar.

    so we'll just auto subscribe everyone to everything basically, even obscure ones with unusual names. Those making such subs probably know their sub will be hard to find and maybe they want it that way.

    [–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    anyone coming here will have been to reddit and will know how it works.

    You assume too much. I didn't come from Reddit, and I know of others too. Now I'm trying to bring folks from Facebook, and other realms here.

    Find subs thru all and thru searching for them, and anyone on the internet knows how to use a search bar.

    Do you know what the last batch of subs I made are? Most folks don't unless they are brought to their attention. Old-Reddit/SaidIt search is for shit, and so is DuckDuckGo, etc. Until there's a good search here you can't rely on it.

    so we'll just auto subscribe everyone to everything basically,

    That's how it first was, but even then once you had an account it didn't automatically subscribe you to all the new ones.

    Those making such [obscure] subs probably know their sub will be hard to find and maybe they want it that way.

    And for those of us who try to make clear topical subs, what then?

    You're arguing to be argumentative.