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[–]BigFatRetard 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I just spent quite a bit of time working with lotide, an open source federated link aggregator and forum.

https://sr.ht/~vpzom/lotide/

There's more information on their own instance:

https://narwhal.city/communities/12

Federation is basically the ideal solution for censorship. Different communities can run their own instances that are operated according to their own community standards, and where censorship exists the network can route around the damage.

Even better is that because lotide uses the activitypub protocol, you can subscribe and interact with communities from different software such as mastodon, pleroma, friendica, etc.

Imo, decentralization is the only way we can win against big tech.

[–]fschmidt[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Why is it so dead?

Yes decentralization is the best answer if done right. I wrote about this.

https://saidit.net/s/PhoenixForum/comments/7i60/my_vision_for_social_forums/

[–]BigFatRetard 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Personally, I think it's because the devs haven't pushed it very much so the critical mass of users hasn't happened yet.

I was looking for a federated link aggregator for a while, and Lemmy is one (it isn't ideal for a free speech platform for various reasons), but I found Lemmy wasn't really easy to install which is why there's only a few servers.

Looking at lotide, there were three problems: The lack of basic install guide for someone who is completely unfamiliar, the default theme makes it look like crap and is basically useless for mobile, and there's virutally nobody getting the word out there.

I think that with the recent rectification of the first two issues, I could see it becoming much more popular. Especially if people know it exists which is a function of people talking about it.

[–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

(it isn't ideal for a free speech platform for various reasons)

If you're talking about the word filter: there's Lenny that fixes it.

there's virutally nobody getting the word out there

You don't need to rely on others to do it. Anyone who sets up their own instance can promote that (as they would with any other software they set up), and the entire network gains visibility as a result. It has to start somewhere.

[–]BigFatRetard 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lemmy and Lenny had the same issue of their installation instructions take you about halfway and then just leave you. The difference is that lotide was reasonably easy to figure out for a Layman so someone could write instructions without being the core dev. I really like that you can take a base install of ubuntu, follow the instructions, and have a working system without any further steps.

You're not stuck in traffic, you are traffic. I'm specifically pointing out lotide to help address the fact that no one talks about it.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We need the uncensored Lenny, not SJW Lemmy. And we'll be developing and sharing tutorials on our wiki and in /s/Decentralize4Dummies.

Our goal is to make as easy as possible so that everyone can participate in the federation. Also, a top priority is to develop tools for anonymous people to participate while remaining anonymous.

Thanks for the lotide reference. /u/LarrySwinger2 and the rest of us will be looking at all recommendations for Federated FLOSS solutions. We'd really like to find a decentralized wiki, ideally as robust as MediaWiki. If lotide looks like crap we can always reskin or have CSS themes - unless the GUI is difficult/impossible to modify.

https://GetSession.org if you want to join our groupchat conversation.

We'll also need people to keep Lenny on par with Lemmy to ideally maybe even surpass it, and build bridges to other platforms and for other things. I don't code but I can dream, write, and design.

Just as critically we need diverse goal templates and ToS templates along with social management templates for different people with different preferences. Why? To make things as easy and close to plug and play as possible, including how things are governed.

Keep thinking about these things. When we get our wiki up I'll be sharing some and hope everyone will give their feedback to improve them.

/s/Cassy
/s/PhoenixForum
/s/Decentralize4Dummies
/s/DecentralizeAllThings
/s/FederatedAllMedia
/s/DIY
/s/ResistanceAnalysis
/s/Solutions
Ask me for more recommendations if you like.

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hey Jason. A few things I wanted to tell you. First of all, don't worry about a decentralized Wiki. Larry Sanger is working on the Encyclosphere, which will aggregate content from all online encyclopedias. He recently gave a good interview on Timcast where he introduces it. I'll set up your Wiki where you can articulate your ideas, and then you can let Sanger catch up with you regarding decentralization and visibility in a network.

Secondly, creating a new sub for new projects is neat in that the information is aggregated in one place, but the downside is that it has less visibility. How do you feel about x-posting new /s/Cassy threads in /s/Internet and new /s/PhoenixForum threads in /s/DecentralizeAllThings?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I saw that. Aside from a few things it sounds good. Only time will tell, and we'll see how corrupted it gets too. But how much time and how much corruption? It's still centralized and may appease the masses for a while until SJWs, CIA, Mossad, or whatever corrupt it. He may be honest and naive, or he may be intentionally subverting any effort to federate wikis.

My last MetaVote post got zero notice, so I just reposted it. I like that idea of cross-posting some things, BUT, we should wait until we have more to share and utilize the reposting of stuff to boost enthusiasm and anticipation before our launch, IMO. We need not hurry and blow our load too soon.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When the summer censorship and riots pop off there will more activity here to be sure.

I read that but I there weren't comments before. I'll visit it later. I have to prepare for my weekly protest.