If you wanted it to be the best then you should have only started with the best

I didn’t want the sub to be the “best”. Like I said, it came to fruition from a conversation magnora had with me in PMs and was an experiment. The sub was largely left in the hands of the community. I’m a senior in university, and started my senior year around the time that sub was created. I have too much irl shit to handle/problems to be worried about over creating “the best” sub on a website, tbh.

We didn’t and don’t have a large amount of users at WOSC, and we only invited members who followed the PoD or contributed good content (hence the welcome sticky on the sub). We’ve also removed users for braking the PoD, or users who we thought were chill but turned out to be assholes. This is why diojr was removed.

I have never had any problems with /u/ChipIt, and I personally haven’t seen him go out of his way to break the PoD, which is why he was invited. He’s not a mod. In fact, he never participated and I don’t think he accepted the invite.

I invited all users I saw following the PoD.

But you invited a lot of users

I invited maybe 1/4th of this site. IP2 was still around during this time and you know that’s where I came from - I didn’t invite any IP2 users except for two, who followed the PoD and were familiar and have worked with/helped magnora7. If I was on an inviting spree, ever, I would have invited a lot of IP2 lol, obvs I didn’t believe they’d be a good fit.

I know you think “a lot of users” were invited, but you have to remember, this was before the sub even had mods or members outside of myself, and before I quit and left it to the community.

I had to invite members of all ideological and political backgrounds who were respectful and followed the PoD, and from that pool, was where the mod invites would get selected from and go out randomly, outside of making sure each user came from a different ideological background.

Only 43 people accepted invites that I know of for sure and are subbed, so we basically have 40-50 users who can access the sub including the mods and admins.

Just because someone was invited, doesn’t mean they accepted (we’ve had great users turn the invite down and say no ty), and you can see all the users who accepted via mod mail. I know you don’t like ChipIt and some other users agree with you as well, but I personally never saw them break the PoD.

Also, keep in mind ChipIt was invited over a year ago. And like I said, never accepted their invite or participated.

but it's less important to have diverse backgrounds than to have someone who accepts diverse backgrounds. You want fairness in moderators, not adversaries.

I agree. And that’s what happened - all mods got along with users, and each other despite not being the most familiar with each other or sharing political beliefs. There was never much need for moderation or mod discussions, but when we had them the majority of the mod team participated and everyone pitched ideas that were considered and agreed upon by everyone.

When users were questionable and pm’d mods asking for an invite, mods always sent out a mod mail first asking the rest of the mods what they think of said user asking to be let in, they’d let us know they felt off about that user and why, and it was a group decision. Mods never had any problem with each other.

We had one mod early on in the experiment who refused to follow the PoD so they were removed. Overall, we did achieve diverse backgrounds as well as fairness - I feel safe speaking for all the mods of WOSC when I say none of them come close to considering each other “advisories”.

STABs

I’ve never seen anyone use this term but you and when I look it up, there are a lot of meanings especially with music and gaming lol. Wdym by this?

I don’t know enough about automod

I can send you my automod setup for /s/Life if you’d like. When magnora gave me that sub, I set it up right away. You control how aggressive automod is. It’s as simple as designing your sub, it’s all CSS.

Automod doesn’t even have to remove posts/comments or hold them until a mod approves them, you can set automod so it sends a mod mail to each mod when there’s a new post (and go even further by entering an index of keywords that increases the probability of that post or comment being spam or a dox attempt for example, so whenever automod sees those keywords it’ll send all mods a PM).

One could also make it so if a user is below a karma threshold (which is useful for new accounts created to spam), they can’t post in the sub until they earn enough karma within the sub or on the site in general, and this is usually set to like >10-30 post/comment Karma. In the event it is a genuine user, as a mod you’d get a PM so you could approve the post and override automod if you’d like.

Not more rules. Better rules. Maybe better means some more..

I agree. It’s all about what’s better. When I made that comment about rules, I meant things like karma requirements for fresh accounts, maybe an insightful/funny limit per hour so we don’t have so much astroturfing. These are just examples of what I meant, doesn’t mean these examples are what’s best for saidit, I’m just trying to describe myself so you understand where I’m coming from.

LOL. Why can't we have a fair, open, accountable, consistent, and honest site owner?

I know you and m7 have had your tiffs too, but as far as my experience with m7 goes, he’s been all of those things from my perspective until recently. TAM is saying he’s burned out. But I could give you a list of examples where m7 went out of his way for me when he didn’t have to at all. I agree though, we need a refreshed, calm, collected and cool-headed m7.

Leave D3 out of it. Only M7 is to blame.

I never said anything negative about /u/d3rr; in that statement you’re responding to, I was saying communication is necessary among the admins and used m7 disappearing for a week (without even dropping a small sentence to d3rr) as an example.

Honestly, I never had an altercation or problem with d3rr or m7, we just joke with each other or shared stuff if we ever interacted.

But it's OUR community.

lol I was kind of joking when I said I don’t mean to steal your lines - but in general, like I described, the community wouldn’t be what it is if it weren’t for us. We both agree on this.

Edit: autocorrect errors, sry, fixing rn.

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However, a second filtered site might be good to mirror/interact with content on the first site where the STABs were dealt with and new users could prove themselves worthy of being invited to the second site.

This literally is what the WOSC is if you think about it lol. It’s an invite-only SubSaidIt meant for users who deserved to belong there via their actions. Making a second website to do that is unnecessary work.

Like stated before, “I know you think “a lot of users” were invited, but you have to remember, this was before the sub even had members or mods outside of myself before I quit and left it to the community.

I had to invite members of all ideological and political backgrounds who were respectful and followed the PoD, and from that pool, was where the mod invites would get selected from and go out randomly, outside of making sure each user came from a different ideological background.”

There were users and mods I completely disagreed with concerning the majority of their beliefs, but I was neutral as all mods/members have been and invited them both to the sub, and to become mods. As long as the conversation is respectful, there’s no problems. Joking is fine, being a dick wasn’t - the purpose was 2 invite SaidIt’s respectful contributors.

The very first posts on the WOSC even note that part of the purpose was to compare that sub, its content, and conversations with /s/all in a year from its creation (which would be close to now).