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[–]whistlepig 16 insightful - 16 fun16 insightful - 15 fun17 insightful - 16 fun -  (25 children)

Well.. this site is dead. The silly idea that downvotes are a bad thing has prevented users from having the tools needed to adjust what they see. Se we end up with a bunch of gross crap and stupid censorship. The effort to make everyone happy in a centralized manner has predictably resulted in nobody being happy.

[–]hennaojichan 22 insightful - 7 fun22 insightful - 6 fun23 insightful - 7 fun -  (14 children)

This was sent by a bot. [Because there are so many comments I need to explain that my comment,"This comment was sent by a bot,,,was intended for the OP.] At least he/it is upvoted by bots. Otherwise, why is the vote equal. Do you guys live in Tel Aviv? Are you still near the petrol pump? You really aren't fooling anyone. If Saidit had downvotes, you guys could control everything here just like on reddit, right? Are you Voat or reddit members? Or are you intel? One of those or you are simply paid=by-the-hour assholes.

Jason: For once I disagree with you. These guys have evil intent and wish to hurt saidit's reputation to bring it down. They have nothing positive to say and banning them now is the best alternative in my opinion. Call it censorship but since they clearly are bent on spreading malicious, illogical nonsense I believe banning is called for.

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    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 7 fun4 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

    Downvotes only censor if they are subtracted from the upvotes.

    [–]HibikiBlack 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    But they can be used by shill teams to completely control certain narratives. You would think genuine users would be enough to keep things balanced, but when it comes to defending controversial ideas that require research to understand, well upvotes and downvotes can be used to fool people.

    People also underestimate the level in which shills are organized. This is the CIA we are fighting against... they can beat regular users 1 vs 100 and they aren't fools. I dare say they see most users over here as a joke at best and even if they can't control the site itself, they can subvert the narratives as is to the point that it stops becoming a problem. The downvote option would give them even more power and completely destroy the site.

    [–]LarrySwinger2 6 insightful - 10 fun6 insightful - 9 fun7 insightful - 10 fun -  (9 children)

    Don't get paranoid. Look at their profile to see that it's a real person. Especially the fact that they're moderating a real sub. His point is valid as well. The solution to the voting system being abused is a weighed voting system, where established members have more voting power. Paired with growing the site, so that there are enough real people to vote things properly.

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      [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

      He's only been here a year. SaidIt is at least 3. Is this his only alias?

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I haven't been around long enough to know what his other aliases are.

      [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      If they even have any other aliases. That's the only way any of what they've said makes sense.

      I also wondered if you had a magic IP-finder wand.

      [–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Good point: most of these trolls joined saidit within roughly a year ago. I am not usually one to call for banning but since in this case I am calling/asking that they be IP banned unless they are using VPNs and I suspect they are.

      [–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      I thought henna was calling whistlepig a bot. Calling Anon a bot doesn't make sense either; his recent comments are real ones (just like his earlier ones).

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Either way, they seem like real users to me.

      [–]NeedMoreCoffee 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      The voting system fails due to psychology. If you see 2 posts one that is upvoted and one is downvoted most people will add upvotes to the upvoted post and downvote the downvoted one even if the upvoted one is completely factual wrong and the downvoted one is completely correct.

      An elite voting system will not change that. People are stupid.

      Also alt accounts and bots will have a lot more power to manipulate votes which will result in more of what i wrote on top ending up with subs that look like circlejerks

      At least this way new users won't be discouraged in posting when they make an innocent comment and get 50 downvotes like on reddit.

      [–]hennaojichan 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks for the encouragement [LarrySwinger]. I just do not understand this uprising against the people who created this site. Whether they are bots, shills or people who think and vote like bots matters little to me. People and bots have been infiltrating this site for a long time and their intentions are not good. That country in the ME simply must control or destroy any group that calls them out and this was arranged by them; the rise of Skynet.

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        [–]fschmidt 25 insightful - 6 fun25 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

        Down-votes are a censorship tool of the moronic masses who are too stupid and spineless to write a comment. No down-votes is one of the good things about SaidIt.

        [–]hennaojichan 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        I think you are full of shit. [This was intended for the abominable twins.]

        [–][deleted] 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        You only want downvotes so you can censor opinions you don't like — either that, or you're extremely naïve; Reddit has become a leftist echo chamber because they mass downvote opinions they don't like to keep them off the front-page — and after a certain threshold is met: the poster will be banned and all their posts will be removed.

        Downvotes are censorship.

        [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

        Downvotes only censor if they are subtracted from the upvotes.

        YouTube shows both (but they want to change that on corporate media channels).

        The ratio is important info.

        An interesting new idea: What if you could only vote if you left a comment explaining your vote? Not too practical but food for thought.

        [–]AnarchySpeach 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Point scoring systems in social communication only cause useless dopamine triggers. There's also the side effect that downvotes prevent wrong think, which is occasionally needed to keep a discussion from turning into an echo chamber.

        I personally think the best of both worlds would be to allow a variation of both types on the same site. A place like .win or reddit with standard numerical downvotes and upvotes, but with an additional option that allows a user to opt-out. Other people can continue to vote on that person's comments, yet those numbers would be hidden from everybody, including the user themselves. The website code could still see it and promote it like normal if it's popular without all of the associated gamification.

        [–]hennaojichan 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        So, why waste your time here?; find a live one. Hurry. All the stupid comments made by you and abominable are upvoted by bots. Which intel outfit do you guys work for? Or maybe you're just hourly. News Flash: you don't need a downvote button because you can actually write a comment stating why you disagree with the commenter. I hope you two obvious trolls are banned.

        [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        Sure they're curmudgeons, but I wouldn't call them trolls.

        [–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        I would guess they are precisely paid trolls hired to mess with us. They saw that the censorship/banning question is a divisive issue here and are trying to to drive a wedge at that point. They are paid minions of some intel group(s).