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[–]magnora7 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (10 children)

I used to think it was like 10% shills and bots, but now I realize it's more like 50-80%, and getting worse. The internet is truly a mess because of it. It's just like how the telephone system is a mess because of all the robocalls. And the mail system is a mess because of all the advertising spam.

I really dislike all of it, our communication systems are systematically hijacked by people trying to exploit and abuse, and the people who own the communications systems either encourage it or turn a blind eye. It's upsetting

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

No, it is far more than 10%. The wild west was the internet and the powers did not suspect that it would be freely avaliable to all people. The goal was them to give it to all who want it but at a censored, heavily controlled cost. Bots are rather easy to program and replicate over and over again in more sophisticated way and shills are in it for the money; and where congress members are easily lobbied by a few thousand, shills are as well, even moreso when foreign power agendas are at play.

Yup, landline was fine for many years, updated to VOIP, was forced to, and now I get robo calls and scams multiple times a day. The fix? Buy an app, sell your private data so a company can block the calls for you. An easy security niche market that corporations will use to their benefit.

[–]magnora7 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Yup even email is filled with spam. Literally every communication system except just talking to someone face-to-face. And even then they can parrot spam without realizing it because ads have become such a central part of our culture. Everyone knows who Captain Crunch is even though he only exists to sell cereal. Our culture has been largely redesigned around merchandise like this, and it's caused an alienation of humans from the culture they consume. I think that could be the root cause of all this depression and mental illness that is so widespread in modern developed civilization.

Countries like Spain have made billboards illegal. I think this is the type of thinking is good. We need to get away from this swamp of advertising and communications system abuse (and the resulting emotional abuse from all the scams and so on) that we're all become mired in. I think it's a very serious problem that's basically being completely ignored in the public discourse. Basically because the public discourse is being led by those same communications networks. They'd never rat themselves out to the public.

It's a bizarre problem that humanity faces at this moment in history. We almost need a revolution of our communications systems, to remake it for the public good rather than for advertising and scammers to abuse like it's the wild west. The saturation of misuse of these systems has become unstable, bad effects are bound to happen because of how it affects people psychologically and how it affects how they view communication. It's a very bad problem that at its worst may result in many global cultures being hijacked with the intent to destroy/reshape them, but many people can't see the full scope of the issue.

Every human is basically being hit with a firehose of information these days, and it's sink or swim. Those best able to filter through it, or ignore it, or transcend it, will fare the best. But many people are just caught in the torrents of shill-generated nonsense (or computer-generated), many without even realizing how inorganic it truly is. But a lot of people are learning quickly because the abuse is so common. But this also trains each man to be an island, and to trust no one. One person with a computer-generated scam, can make a million people distrust their neighbors a little bit more. I find that very creepy to have this sort of amplified power available to paid sociopaths. But what kills me is most people don't even realize this is happening. If we could at least see how we're being tricked we could overcome it. But a lot of people just haven't connected the dots yet for whatever reason, but I think that will change because this stuff is becoming increasingly known.

[–]StillLessons 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

ˆTHIS!

The problem you discuss is the single greatest problem we currently face as a species. Our information sources are now so corrupted by powerful groups stating "what they want the world to be" rather than "what the world is", but claiming that this is what the world is. As such, anyone attached to these sources (and I seriously doubt there are more than a few thousand people on the entire planet truly unaffected by this stream of concentrated garbage) has become literally unable to discern any more what is true beyond the very immediate moment in which they live. I know I can't, and I have been given excellent analytical tools as part of the life I have lived.

Excellent comment. Worth its own thread/article, as a matter of fact.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

The problem you discuss is the single greatest problem we currently face as a species.

I think 90% of people would laugh and say it's not important, and 10 years ago I might've done the same, instead saying war was the problem or something. But this is what causes wars. If you study the rwandan genocide, the people did it because the radio stations encouraged this sort of thinking for over a decade leading up to the genocide! They were calling the 10% of the country "cockroaches" on public radio, over and over. Then when some political leader of the 90% was killed by a person from the 10%, it set off this huge genocide.

Most people do not begin to understand how powerful the media is.

has become literally unable to discern any more what is true beyond the very immediate moment in which they live.

Yes the confusion itself is a weapon. They use the confusion to disable people. You cannot make rational decisions if you do not trust any information, and are thus disabled from acting in meaningful ways.

"The first casualty of war is the truth" is a quote I thought was about misinformation, but I now realize is also about confusion. During a war, everyone is massively confused about everything all the time. This is the primary means by which people are kept in a deep fear/reactionary state of mind that in turn makes them easy to convert to violent soldiers. Whereas a deeply organized society that is highly predictable is very unlikely to go to war or be violent. People think it is war that causes disorder, but I am realizing it is perhaps disorder that creates war. Which means if someone wants war, they can manufacture chaos on the cultural level, which trickles down to the psychological level for the individual. This format of "information attack" or "cultural attack" through the media has become weaponized to a high degree in the last 40 years, and is on global hyper-speed with the perfection of hijacking internet forums becoming commonplace.

It's truly breathtaking in speed now. It feels like we are increasingly getting close to a juncture where people are going to have to wake up to this issue in a deep way. If we don't, we will become increasingly cattle-like, but herded by ideologies and emotions, rather than fences and dogs. It does make me worry about the future of humanity, because this does seem like a new beast compared to the disinformation and propaganda of the past. Although I guess people could probably say the same when the printing press was first developed. There were probably incredible amounts of propaganda books made by the only people who could afford printing presses, the wealthy. I'm sure many educated but poor people saw this wonderful tool, the printing press, being abused to promote false ideologies to stir up war and consolidate wealth. I am sure those regular people thought it was hopeless because of the sheer volume of propaganda being made compared to more genuine content, a situation we see on the internet today. But we overcame, and hundreds of years later for example the 1990s were pretty chill in the US. So it always ebbs and flows, even though at certain moments it looks pretty bad. I think the ebbs and flows are going faster and faster though, and becoming more coordinated globally due to the internet increasing the speed of culture spread.

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    [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree, it's dumb that culture is out of reach because of copyright law. Culture should be made by us, to represent us. Not be some immutable thing protected by law that no one can ever make use of for themselves.

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    There is only one solution: To stop believing.

    Removing any and all beliefs means to not feed on "information" from outside in order to act and organize one's life and mind. The starting point should always be what somebody IS. Who are you? The reflex of answering with what you've done in the past, where you were, etc. is founded on belief. If you remove all that, then "Who are you?" becomes easy to answer, not necessarily with words, but certainly with actions.

    Somebody who stopped believing, who has destroyed the mechanics of belief within themselves, has no other compass than their personal identity, or "what you are". By using this actual identity as the compass, information can be classed, not as "believed to be true" and "believed to be false", but as "Meets my identity" or... not. As such, the possibility of "error" vanishes: by not acting and thinking out of the duality of true and false, but instead living by "I am, therefore..." no mistake can ever be made. One acts according to one's nature, and that's that.

    This has the huge advantage that such individuals cannot be manipulated or bamboozled. In some time, only such individuals will thrive and all others will be rendered more or less paralyzed and ineffective because of these problems you describe.

    One of the major advantages of this approach is that it is absolutely effective on an individual level, whereas any other set of measures to "change things" requires a certain degree of popular support, which is made difficult by the very problem you are seeking to fix...

    [–]magnora7 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Interesting points. I agree we have to "return to our senses" in a very literal way. We need to get back to the basics of awareness of our immediate surroundings, and build our identities around that, rather than around ideologies from far-off places that are designed in many cases to manipulate you in to certain behaviors that are beneficial for those at the top. Whereas a self-generated culture will more often work for the self and the soul, rather than working against it.

    It's also probably one of those things where rather than trying to convince everyone by talking the talk, the most powerful conversion tool is to simply walk the walk, and other people can see it as an example. Preaching ideas is outdated in a way, because we are all swimming in ideas constantly. What's truly rare is a person actually doing exactly what they say, and saying what they do.

    [–]Jesus 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    That's the caveat of an unsustainable retain ecomomy. Boom and bust consumerism keeps the economy afloat before the bubble pops and the banks re-inject credit into the economy. Notice the uptick in banking and credit card advertisements? That's not a coincidence. You got bills to pay, so you're going to work, work, work everyday. REAL Catholics (not Jesuits) understand this as the antithesis to Christ. That life should not be a debt to credit — merely working under the wage slave system. Life is more than just work. It is to better ourselves spiritually, religiously and strive to help others less fortunate than ourselves. But this becomes a rarer and rarer occurrence when entertainment takes up lay time, if one even has such time. And even if one works tirelessly to achieve his or her goal of property ownership, a cyclical doldrum could rob that person of what he earned with his hands. As someone who worked in agriculture, I can tell you from first hand experience, that the city capitalists and neoliberals hate the the self-sustaining farmer and have sought to burden this sector with debt and poverty. There's been an epidemic of food stamps in the farming community for this very reason, despite farmers working from sunrise to sunset.

    Countries like Spain have made billboards illegal. I think this is the type of thinking is good. We need to get away from this swamp of advertising and communications system abuse (and the resulting emotional abuse from all the scams and so on) that we're all become mired in. I think it's a very serious problem that's basically being completely ignored in the public discourse. Basically because the public discourse is being led by those same communications networks. They'd never rat themselves out to the public.

    Sure, that is a great idea but in the US the purse gets the final say. Big money will not allow their advertisements to be thwarted because it might help ease the mental illness plight. In fact, over spending is something they desire not only for the products they sell but for the economy as a whole.

    Deep down inside, if everyone awoke to consumerism and rejected materialism, focusing more on self-sustainability and spirituality, the entire economy would collapse. The people in power today, if that were to happen, would fund all kinds of revolutionary action to thwart grassroots movements.

    But again, it's our individual choices that matter most. For if we can reject such consumerism, so cannot someone you know. Unfortunately, with the advent of TV and social media, stupid trends rule the airwaves.

    It's a bizarre problem that humanity faces at this moment in history.

    Indeed, and alien to our evolution. Unfortunately, most would reject such immaterialism.

    We almost need a revolution of our communications systems, to remake it for the public good rather than for advertising and scammers to abuse like it's the wild west.

    Foremost would be to revoke streamlining federal laws to towns. Second would be to have town corp. have open source decentralized paper ballot voting. I think all such communitarian ideas for the purpose of society as a whole should start locally. The consensus today is that federal law, easily lobbied by the interests of big money, can supersede town law. And even today the laws of the town corporation are highly centralized and rely on the dreaded mammonistic budget view. The state then increases direct and indirect taxes to pay off that interest.

    The saturation of misuse of these systems has become unstable, bad effects are bound to happen because of how it affects people psychologically and how it affects how they view communication.

    Consider the aspirations of the WEF and world governor alliance. Yes, our own governors are part of an international agenda. The entire responsible stakeholder schtick is to open up niche markets where humans thought no man should go. That is to make you and I and our bodies and health a commodity to be traded on markets and profited off of. That is the real goal of 5g, IoT, the 4th industrial revolution — processes which could have benefited humanity. Endless 'progress' (devolution) for the interests of big capital and the Malthusian doctrinists all rapped up in responsible stakeholder capitalism. In the end, it will suck everyone dry and there will be nothing left but to seek a higher power, something immaterial.

    That is their goal, no? By 2030, "you'll own nothing, have no privacy and be happy!" Hopefully, nobody buys into that viewpoint because this consumer culture we have now, will be transformed into a dystopian rentiers' crazy house, where data generation will monopolize the movement of money.

    It's a very bad problem that at its worst may result in many global cultures being hijacked with the intent to destroy/reshape them, but many people can't see the full scope of the issue.

    One big international family under consumerism and materialism forever. It's like the movie They Live. They know you don't need it but they tickle your senses so that you desire to have it. I'm sure they use other techniques like the head to skull invention, which I believe they had installed somewhere in NYC for sometime, which would use specific-frequencies to sell you things but it sounded like the ad was emanating from your head rather than from a loud speaker far away. Scary stuff. I think more and more people see through all of this but then again I'm not so sure because less and less people read, if at all. I came to have this viewpoint because of Church friends and because of Jesus.

    [–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Conclusion, mammon rules in this world. But we can always fight locally and many people have won this way.