Saidit's 'free speech' is under attack from the new admin, who is of course a tranny. Check the moderation logs and see individual user posts to see what is being removed and ask yourself "is this level of censorship in line with saidit's rules, or are they serving a personal agenda'.

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[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 7 fun -  (112 children)

To be fair, that information came out long after they joined the team, not before

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 5 fun24 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 5 fun -  (106 children)

Well, be rid of them. NOBODY wants the insane lording over them. Except the insane.

[–]magnora7 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (105 children)

Who is lording over who? They just remove ads and obvious spam, and that's all they're allowed to do.

The whole basis of this comment and the OP is incorrect for this reason. They have hardly any power, they just make my life easier (except for when I went away for a week because of the ice storm but they know not to do that sort of thing now and are only allowed to remove ads and obvious spam)

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (91 children)

OK then. I'm just pissed at all the far-left trash making home here. Isn't reddit perfect for them? I know, I know... That's not for you to say, I understand.

Still. Sigh.

[–]magnora7 18 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 5 fun -  (85 children)

I mean other people are equally upset at the far-right trash making home here.

What should I do? Just delete any posts I deem too extreme? That's like the definition of biased moderating, and I'm not sure what type of rule(s) could be created that would draw a clear line.

It's just kind of a lose-lose situation in a lot of ways, unfortunately

[–]copenseethe 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

Being able to debate with people of radically opposing viewpoints without getting banned is the reason that I am here instead of reddit (where I am perma-banned). Please do not change this site to one that ousts people for their political stance.

[–]magnora7 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (23 children)

We don't plan to, but at the same time we have to protect ourselves against trolls being far-extremists with dozens of accounts with the intent of hijacking the site's culture to drive the normal users away, which is something that happens regularly to most forums. It's what happened to voat and poal and many other websites, and then they have to clean it up and crack down, or they eventually shut down because all that's left of their userbase is trolls and bots. Saidit maintains a middle-of-the-road approach, and that's not changing.

[–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

I think the case of both voat and poal, the shills were an intended feature by the site designers, and not a bug. Of course the real users were mostly just redpilled normies, and weren't interested in the racist/extremist posts, but did enjoy the free speech and the good posts made by normal users. I think very few users there were/are actual nazis/far-right extremists. How many people do you see walking around with KKK hats these days? (it was was a Democrat thing in the past, anyways) Hence why I posted there for a while, I just ignored the racist trolls and instigators or called them out for what they did. We need to distinguish the two groups - the shills/trolls/bots and the normies, and not smear the good with the bad.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

the shills were an intended feature by the site designers, and not a bug.

I used to believe this, but after running this site, I don't think so anymore. These people just show up. Whether they're shills or genuine, they just show up regardless of what I want. And if you don't take action, they just take over the site. That's just what happens. What happened to voat and poal them is a result of inactive moderation, not any action on their part. If I hadn't removed those types of people, saidit would look the exact same way

[–]Trajan 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Agreed. From seeing many sites (forums and wikis) degrade under extremists or trolls, I see benevolent dictatorship as the only way to keep a site running. Broad rules should be there, but it's night-on impossible to write specific rules that don't end in rules lawyering and subsequent unhappiness when somebody gets banned without apparently violating the letter of the law. When identifying problems, it's often the case that you'll know it when you see it.

A benevolent dictator, with mods aligned on the spirit of the site, works pretty well.

[–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

The same shill groups are found on Ruqqus, but the way the site was coded, they are easily filtered out. They still exist but any user who doesn't want to see them can filter them out with a quick filter setting accessible one click from the front page.

I think that is the better way to handle troll groups.

Poal and Voat are broken by design so you can't block that content, you can't escape it, and it was there since I first visited those sites, which was a long time ago.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

far-extremists with dozens of accounts with the intent of hijacking the site's culture to drive the normal users away

yet, you can't see that theameliamay is just that.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

... that you know of.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (57 children)

The far-left already have reddit. We of righteousness have nowhere.

[–]magnora7 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (23 children)

You addressed none of the points I brought up

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

Because you are right in what you write. There, I wrote it. Is this enough?

I'm just complaining that we have nowhere, not that it's your fault. Although your definition of "obvious spam" leaves to be desired.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

I appreciate it. Truly though we have nowhere because spammers and trolls destroy every large forum of substance, and so this has to be defended against.

If we stopped deleting the attacks, this forum would be destroyed by disinformation and spam rather quickly. We're talking sometimes hundreds of automated posts a day, in ways that cannot be blocked and instead have to be removed after the fact.

The "obvious spam" is stuff like viagra pill ads, links to download printer drivers, indian ringtone download pages, "find immigration consultants in Austrialia", and things like that. Very obvious spam that literally no one wants.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

yet, tam deleted a whole lot of content that was not spam at all. did you not check to see what i'm complaining about?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Horrux - what would you want to post that is too extreme for Saidit? I see mainly far-right disinformation, misinformation, propaganda, racism, Nazis, sexism, anti-vax, anarchism, Republicans, hatred, criminals, and occasional informative posts on this site. That's one reason I visit the site (even if I don't agree with much of it, I won't see it elsewhere). I cannot imagine what you're talking about. Are you referencing material that's on Parler, Ruqqus, Win, Gab, 8chan, or 16chan? Really, what's missing here? [Edit: words]

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I have no idea what you are talking about.

There is such a thing as discussing what a site is like, without it being all about what I want to use it for. I want to use it for sharing, and I'm disappointed that my friend bobbybobob is gone, among others.

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    [–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    No, all the win sites are run by the same Zionist shills who run Voat and Poal. They also have the same banning procedure.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah that's what I thought.

    [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    was neutral ground

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

    Interesting. They're apparently funded by at least one relatively wealthy person. Let me think, why would the 1% want to fund a propaganda site?:

    https://communities.win/c/AskWin/p/12hkd5YlL3/x/c/4DyLxPP6a8p

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      [–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

      No, Ruqqus, would be the right counterpart, win isn't in the equation here.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Don't try the whataboutism on me.

      If you're interested, look at the responses, including: "That...sounds suspicious to be honest."

      (And don't tell me what to do.)

      [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      That site has a rule against "hate speech..."

      [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      "We of righteousness"... Leave the victimhood for the intersectionalists. You sound no better than them. Grow a fucking backbone and stop whining.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      What should I do? Just delete any posts I deem too extreme?

      that's what tam started doing

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      We were here long before you were. Sieg Heil!

      [–]LesbianOutlaw 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

      Not everyone who's trans is "far-left trash." Being trans is a medical condition / body modification choice, not a political viewpoint. That's like saying everyone who gets a tattoo must vote Democrat.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      trans is a mental disorder

      [–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Everyone who gets a tattoo is a degenerate, however they vote. Body mutilation and defacement is anti-conservative, which kind of makes it political.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Oh, man - all the MAGAs with tats. Icky.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Of course they are. But I forgot the "nutjob" qualifier in front.

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

      Who is lording over who? They just remove ads and obvious spam, and that's all they're allowed to do.

      Do you actually believe that? did you not investigate any of the reports when he went totally power mad? I get that he later removed all the content, but he set up public trials

      [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

      Yes I did investigate and I don't disagree with any bans they made. I did disagree with the public trials post, but we've already rectified that issue as I've said repeatedly and it's in the past

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      as I've said repeatedly and it's in the past

      That's the first time you've said ANYTHING about those trials. All you ever wrote was supportive of TAMs actions during your abscence.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      You didn't read the "I'm back" post that was at the top of saidit for 2 days then when I returned. Your lack of paying attention is not my problem

      [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      where in that post did you say that amelia did anything wrong?

      because my memory of reading it was that you expressed your support and gratitude for amelia in such hard times.

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        [–]i_hate_cheese_eaters 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        I'm not on either side of the conversation here, so please don't mind the question: It's new for me to see mods being held accountable by everyone by having the logs publically visible, how do I get to see those logs, if I may ask?

        [–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        on the sidebar of every sub at the bottom there is a "moderator logs" button

        [–]i_hate_cheese_eaters 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        On the topic of /s/superstraight, there is not. Could it be because there is no moderator list, hinting that the sub has no mods?

        [–]magnora7 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        you can also access the modlog at: https://saidit.net/s/superstraight/modlog

        Apparently the only mod demodded themselves

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        no, it was in their FIRST EVER POST. the one where they invited us to go look at all their websites, then accused us of stalking them when we did, and then deleted that first post and made a new one, pretended it never happened and began gaslighting. We'd already sussed that they were aiming to take over saidit and 'reform' it to suit their own agenda, because he told US he wanted to do that.

        [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

        I didn't comb their entire user history before taking them on the team

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

        You know if you make me an admin people will soon long for the days they had Amelia. You know that scene in LOTR?

        [–]bobbobbybob[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        we all make mistakes

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        We all make many mistakes, including M7.