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[–]Canbot 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

There is a group on almost every free speech platform trying to do everything they can to get banned or removed and then complain about it as a tactic to dismantle free speech platforms. I don't have the patience to follow it, but the people complaining about bannings make a lot of nonsensical arguments. They inject nonsense into any conversation that gets interesting. They behave like shills, create alternate accounts, and when asked "why did you get banned" they lie. Expect to see a lot of claims of censorship, don't take it too seriously.

[–]enefi 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

... but the people complaining about bannings make a lot of nonsensical arguments. They inject nonsense into any conversation that gets interesting. They behave like shills, create alternate accounts, and when asked "why did you get banned" they lie. Expect to see a lot of claims of censorship, don't take it too seriously.

And usually on free speech platforms there is also a group of defenders who has no problems labeling anyone a shill. I saw it on Ruqqus. Even with clear evidence (public logs, public comments and posts, confirmed [by admins and other users] screenshots from discord) there was always a few users blindly defending admins. On Ruqqus at least admins in the case of bans usually eventually did the right thing, making those blind defenders look stupid in the end.

I am speaking generally. I saw some long time saidit users complaining about it, so I have my doubts about them being shills, but I don't really know what is happening currently on saidit, I am not that invested (got burned by Ruqqus, I have no intention of investing hundred+ hours of my free time and then finding out admins lied in their official statement what the platform is supposed to be about, and their actions and inactions are in direct contradiction with their supposed believes/goals; I am taking it slow this time).

[–]JasonCarswell 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

For what it's worth, from my limited perspective, despite being a flawed human (like all of us), secretive, prudish, and stubborn, magnora7 has never lied about what SaidIt is about. Certainly there's room for improvement on many fronts, but SaidIt is like no other and stands far above, especially when all things are considered.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Certainly take any claims with a grain of salt, but don't assume that shills don't exist. The drama posts are there for you to read yourself. Keep in mind that if you spend 20 min reading about someone's complaints and still aren't sure what they are complaining about it's probably intentional.

[–]enefi 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

but don't assume that shills don't exist

My point was to also not assume anyone being against censorship or other actions of admins must be a shill. (After all shills may be, and I would guess are, on both sides of a drama. Furthering suspicion, distrust, trying to stoke the flames, increase division of userbase.)

Certainly take any claims with a grain of salt

Yep, that was what I meant. :)

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Keep in mind that if you spend 20 min reading about someone's complaints and still aren't sure what they are complaining about it's probably intentional.

Insightful!

Saved.

[–]iDontShift 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Expect to see a lot of claims of censorship, don't take it too seriously.

of course, that might also be their aim.

get you to start ignoring bullshit claims by the gazillions so you don't catch the real ones.