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[–]newguy 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (49 children)

I think you should stop playing admin, and stop acting like an obvious troll. No one is buying your act anymore dude

[–]Airbus320 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

Its u/snow's alt

[–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

This is my last comment.

I don't know anything about /u/snow except they were capable of at least one truthful statement.

But if that was JC, where are all the subs?

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

Node, you've been here since October 20, 2017. I've been here since November 15, 2018, well before Snow showed up and we're nothing alike.

Possibly related disturbers:
/u/Airbus320 = saiditter for 3 months
/u/boeing737 = saiditter for 4 months

[–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

IKR? That poser only modded 3 subs! lol (kidding)

I'm pretty used to the trolls and retards, as a denizen of the now defunct 'armpit of the internet'. But note someone is trying to revive it: https://www.voat.xyz/v/all

The groups who try to destroy a site are a different issue than just being mentally defective. I'm glad it's not my problem. In M7s place I'd be inclined to ban all those uvxx accounts, and all the other alts. The problem is the normal users who don't know what's going on think it might be an attack on a fellow normal. Then you get all kinds of drama that erodes trust. Especially if you allow the banned user to make new accounts with full powers.

Then they're free to spread propaganda to get sympathy from regular users and cast doubt on the admins. IMO, new accounts should need to earn their commenting, voting, and posting rights from the existing user base.

Don't know the other one, but /u/Airbus320 seems okay in my experience. Although I feel like I'm flying blind on saidit. User tags and mouseover account info popups are an incredibly tool for those of us lacking an eidetic memory.

[–]LarrySwinger2 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

IMO, new accounts should need to earn their commenting, voting, and posting rights from the existing user base.

How are users going to earn their rights if they can't comment or post? I think barriers to entry are a bad idea, because its bars the contributors as well. I, for one, wouldn't be here if such a system were used. Contributing means giving – I can't stand needing to earn that. I think the system used on Hacker News is a step up. They have downvotes like on Reddit, which I think is a good thing by itself. The difference is that members gradually get more voting power as they establish themselves (both for post and comment voting). This makes infiltration more difficult, but still allows everyone to participate.

Regarding /u/Airbus320: I've seen him post insightful comments, but now that I'm looking at his account overview, I do get the impression he's a troll or paid shill. No idea why else he'd start spamming like that.

[–]bobbobbybob 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Regarding /u/Airbus320: I've seen him post insightful comments, but now that I'm looking at his account overview, I do get the impression he's a troll or paid shill

total shit stirrer

[–]Node 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

The difference is that members gradually get more voting power as they establish themselves (both for post and comment voting). This makes infiltration more difficult, but still allows everyone to participate.

Exactly.

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Oh, once more regarding /u/Airbus320. Turns out I was just confusing him for /u/AirSeddit88. The latter's an actual contributor, the former just spams and has been here for only 3 months.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Now I see the difference. Airbus must have made a comment at some point that made an impression on me, but you wouldn't guess that by his last page of comments.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

^

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Its all u/boeing737's alt

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nice try.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly.

Why has /u/Airbus320 made 20 comments, all stirring the pot, in my post here?

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

😡

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Case in point.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, until yesterday /u/Airbus320 was on my /s/friends for being insightful.

IMO, keep the playing field even - but give the players different colour shirts they earn.

Keep in mind, age and/or high points do not necessarily mean high quality, so M7 and/or the community can determine who is worthy of the top-tier/advisor status, or whatever we call it. AND because it's all open, people can fade, make mistakes, etc etc etc and lose that status. For more on the tiers see the chart.

No extra powers, just earned visible respect.

It could go the other way too. People who troll accumulate downward minor infractions (with expiration) until they strike out. Major strikes are another thing. IMO strike out should literally mean strike out and not be censored/removed unless it's illegal content.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Airbus has hounded my comments all day and Boeing commented once and PMed me for the first time ever - about vegans and eating meat.

Good news for Voat folks. Has that site been posted? They're not my crowd but I don't begrudge them that. I wonder if they're using a Reddit/SaidIt fork?

Drama handled by adults should be self evident as truth and logic should win. If status badges or something were earned and awarded then people could listen to those benchmark voices of reason openly. Secrecy is not helpful. Here's more. Maybe badges with strikes within a limited time frame might be helpful too. Unless they've expired I still have at least 2 strikes from almost 2 years ago. I've chosen to ignore the threats and be my authentic self regardless.

One of the biggest strengths/weaknesses of SaidIt is the anonymous aliases. I have no ideas to help this other than to add the age of the account beside a user's name. There's space.

I was careful about my labels for those 2. I don't know if they're just malcontents or related to the other psyops. I had Airbus in my /s/friends until his hyperactivity in my post here - and digging up stuff around SaidIt from a year ago as if it were incriminating.

It's impossible for anyone to be omnipotent on SaidIt anymore.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Also, /u/bald-janitor PMed me yesterday and again today with complete nonsense, like they're bots or something. First times.

I can quote them if anyone cares. Because it's nonsense I don't feel like I'll break anyone's confidence.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You are sounding strange now, lets go away

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

You are sounding strange now, lets go away

How very peculiar that you used that "go away" phrase.

Here's the PM correspondence from /u/bald-janitor:

bald-janitor   its time we all go away jason

[–] from bald-janitor sent 16 hours ago

They don't want us here anymore

[–] to bald-janitor sent 16 hours ago

Go to where?

Who are they?

What's up with all your TEAM BRO'HOOD comments?

[–] from bald-janitor sent 15 hours ago

You ask to many questions

[–] from bald-janitor sent 46 minutes ago

8kun

They are evil people

Those are ancient pastas

[–] to bald-janitor sent 31 minutes ago

What are you even talking about?

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

8kun=imageboard. Ancient pastas (referring to TEAM BRO'ERHOOD I assume)=old copied/pasted shit from there. Is he indicating that we're being attacked by 8kun? If that's the case, this whole thing can be resolved by responding with brigades of lower-case one word racial slur responses?It looks too overly thought out to be from there, overly Reddit-y.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They all are trying to trick us Jason!

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

Maybe you're right.

Maybe I should just let my friend pass on and M7 be childish when he sees fit.

FYI, I'm not wanting to be admin. I want a better admin system - under the same admin.

Also, many do support my efforts for more fairness and transparency.

Lastly, feel free to tell me how to improve this post and/or things in general. Criticisms are the start, but solutions are the end goal.

[–]newguy 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Amazing how you manage to fit a smear of the platform you use in every post while pretending to want to improve things. You're probably a shill. All you do is concern troll.

[–]Drewski 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

I disagree, Jason has been a long time and valuable contributor to the site and he raises some valid concerns here.

[–]newguy 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Even though he's acting like a shill more and more the last few weeks? Is he helping the site or destroying it? He's calling for public trials, which we know causes lots of pointless drama, and last week showed this for a fact. He keeps smearing the admin and the site at every opportunity, while pretending to be "concerned" but never has any actual workable solutions

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

If anyone who raises legitimate questions or doubts about how M7 runs things or questions his authority - then consider me a fucking shill if you must. It doesn't make it true.

I do NOT smear M7. So far, I stand by him in all things except only censorship/banning, his lack of delegating, his lack of transparency and democracy, and when he behaves childish.

Yes, I am calling for transparent public trials where the truth may be outed, for better or worse, for all to learn from. Yes, there will be drama, centralized and controlled - but transparent.

All I try to offer is workable solutions. You offer none here. I wonder if you too are shilling?

Also, I've never been critical of /u/TheAmeliaMay or /u/d3rr or any others who may have admin status.

[–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

(((democracy)))

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

As I've explained before, I actually don't want want the tyranny of democracy, nor Democrats, or whatever you mean by it. By democracy I mean that the people should at least have the opportunity to weigh in and have a say in things - certainly more than they've had until now.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Why should we have a say in a thing we have not created? Do we pay him for his costs? The least we can do is not troll this site which you repeatedly do

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Our community is our creation. M7 didn't write my post or your comment. I made the new SaidIt logo and gifted the rights to him and d3rr, for whatever that's worth. He didn't even start SaidIt single-handedly.

M7 owns the domain and remains top admin. I'm not challenging that, nor much else that is this SaidIt I consider home.

I do not troll. I don't care if IronLeft gets banned. I care that /u/diogenesjunior and others have been banned and rightly or wrongly, I can't know why. I also care that I can't object to this, question M7, nor defend myself against legit asstrolls clearly breaking the rules without M7 threatening to axe me.

[–]Airbus320 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Agree, it's time for him to go

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

Oh come on.

It's getting like Lord of the Flies in here.

[–]Airbus320 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Jason has trolled here when you were not in this site jetpatch

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

And stalking as well.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Unfriended for telling flat out lies.

/u/jet199 = saiditter for 8 months

/u/Airbus320 = saiditter for 3 months

Who's trolling who?

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Dammit, 8 months! I could have had a baby in that time (if I was actually allowed to get within 2m of other human beings irl).

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I have been here longer than u/snow

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe.

A long time coming (much longer than preferred), I'll soon be changing my own way of participating on SaidIt anyway - to focus on projects. I still hope DioJr will be able to join us.

Regardless, having this opinion doesn't mean I'll take you off my /s/friends list, which I use to see folks who are often insightful and/or above the left/right nonsense.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Shall I point you to all the work I've done puffing up SaidIt? I'm perpetually linking to it from elsewhere, recommending it to people, and inviting everyone I know that's moderately aware to come here. I wrote the InfoGalactic encyclopedic article about SaidIt (omitting loads of drama) and I started the AlternativeTo page. There's no end to the great things I've said and done for SaidIt. However, it's unrealistic to pretend it's perfect and naive to believe it will survive forever without improving and evolving.

Instead of ignoring this post you took the effort to comment - twice. All you're doing is providing unnecessary drama with unhelpful criticisms without solutions while increasing this post's visibility.

If I'm a shill then I'm the shittiest poorest unpaid shill there is.

[–]newguy 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

It's a lot of work to pretend to be a member of the community while actually destroying it

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There are a lot more effect ways to destroy this community. ie. The psyops of personal attacks aimed to demoralize - which the LXXX asstrolls employ.