I'm doing things differently from here on out.

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[–]ReeferMadness 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

There should be a public trial sub. Then we can all look at the evidence and put our 2 cents in. Also, it will likely bring out more evidence as anyone can screenshot when they experience flagrant abuse which then gets deleted and post it at the trial.

This will definitely go a long way to build confidence in the site and destroy the bullshiters who claim the bans are censorship. It will get rid of the he said she said bullshit.

[–]bobbobbybob 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

so no reddit downvotes, so instead have a marxist public trial space where people can gang up on others to get rid of those dissident voices?

whatever.

[–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

That's absolutely not what this is. It's about making moderation transparent.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

public trials are simply bringing the vote brigading mechanism back, with disliked contributors (by a vocal subgroup) removed from the site by public spectacle rather than by downvote spamming.

Personally, I LOVE having /u/magnora7 as the admin, and i've supported all but one of his bans (/u/diogenesjunior, who I think fell foul of a long term mindfuck by TheAmeliaManiac). Democracy is a failed mechanism

[–]ReeferMadness 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Moderation is required and is itself not the problem. The problem is the abuse of moderation to push an agenda. Free speech does not mean you are allowed to yell fire in a theater, or defraud someone. Not allowing spam does not make saidit "just like reddit". In fact that is a disingenuous argument designed to destroy saidit by flooding it with spam.

Since moderation is inevitable the only question is how best to do it. This is so far the best way I ever heard.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

TheAmeliaManiac had a very specific set of limitations on the scope of his moderation. What he is proposing, while the site admin is away, is a gross overstepping of those limitations.

[–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

They aren't because vote brigades dont make arguments, they are done by bots, and they have no oversight.

A trial would be like an admin decision with transparency and intelligent input from the public. No one is getting booted because of retarded group think. There is an open discussion. This is exactly how it should be done and is exactly the opposite of what is done on platforms like reddit.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

let me guess. You are a leftist?

[–]ReeferMadness 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You had a 50/50 and got it wrong.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

daymn. OK. so you are debating honestly and not just making it up as you go along to win.

As i'm trying to understand what you are saying, are you suggesting that the proposed 'public trials' would involve free and fair representation, debate that is not constantly derailed and interrupted by ameliamaniac and does not involve some kind of voting at the end?

Because that's not what would happen, but i don't want to ascribe that vision to your voice if i've misunderstood that as well

[–]specialsauces 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

the primary function of these forums is to corrupt the family model and the friendship model.

these forums are designed to prevent one-on-one conversations.

and now everyone is trying to polish and perfect the forum operations model, and all that you are going to do is to fuck up humanity even more than it is.

in these forums, we dont even have the slightest clue about who or what we are chatting with...

would you do that in public? would you sit in your home or in your business or even at a coffee shop and have a conversation with someone that you cant see and you dont even know anything about them?

okay then.