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[–]JasonCarswell 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (36 children)

Decentralize SaidIt

/u/magnora7, /u/d3rr, etc.,

What can we do to help make this happen?

If it means create more proxy sites (or whatever you call them), is there any chance you can create tutorial sub for non-coders that covers all the bases from start to federated backup?

[–]fschmidt 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

Saidit looks like a basket case. They don't allow mods to moderate and they are too lazy to work to avoid censorship.

https://old.reddit.com/r/nonmorons/comments/jtuzay/is_there_a_reddit_alternative_that_doesnt_suck/

If I do finance this, I will make sure that it is federated.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Repeating from your link:


Is there a reddit alternative that doesn't suck?

By reddit alternative, I mean a social platform for forums (subs).

By "doesn't suck" I mean:

  1. Free speech. Forums/subs and users only banned for violating the law, spam, or doxxing.

  2. Unlimited moderation. Mods own forums/subs and can do whatever they want.

  3. No site-wide moderation like reddit making users wait between posts if they have low karma.

  4. Easy to create forums/subs. No endless waiting (like on ruqqus).

  5. Functional search.

  6. No down-voting or option to remove down-voting from forums/subs. Down-voting is just a way for the moronic masses to harass free thinkers.

I have looked at a number of alternatives and haven't found any meeting these requirements.


I already see a couple issues. 1) Free speech and 2) unlimited moderation are already at odds. Either the mod will censor the speech or they won't.

I also see pros and cons to all those points except 5) functional search, which would only be wonderful.

I have ideas on your points, but they require coding.

Before we consider overhauling the SaidIt code or others similar, I wonder if it might be easier to adopt an existing very popular, stable, secure, high-feature, federate-able, opensource forum code and re-skinning it to appear like Reddit/SaidIt with most of the same functionality?

If we could build something akin to the Mastodon federated model then there could be countless forums with their own rules that range from limited to free speech. IMO who ever is hosting it gets ultimate say, above and beyond the mods and users, and sadly this power could and would be abused. Fortunately, in a federated system, content could be distributed, backed up, forked, etc. (I think).

IMO, there needs to be 3 kinds of subs: topics, communities, and feeds. Preferably with metatags. Ideally topics would be well categorized and controlled with democratic feedback. Communities could be random and chaotic. Feeds would be automated to follow content creators. Empty, stagnant, or rudderless subs can be reclaimed via a process to be determined democratically.

IMO, there needs to be 4 voting options, ideally all on a scale of 0-10: like, dislike, insightful, fun. Obviously you can't like and dislike simultaneously. No fancy weighting and dislikes don't subtract from likes nor vice versa. We should be able to sort our content by metatags, topics, and voting options, as well as the typical date, hot, etc.

Instead of cross-posting it would be better to have the option to be posted in a single sub or have the post s-linked in multiple other relevant subs but with a single conversation.

All of these democratic terms of service processes would be wise to organize into some kind of general consensus to cover the types, include variants, and be updated. For example, copyleft has the Creative Commons with their many versions with variants and room for more.

All of these ideas should be flexible enough so that if another type of sub or vote or whatever comes up it should be easy to add or remove in the next update (this includes database management).

Ideally anyone with a PC should be able to host a federated instance. Not only should it be simple to install and administrate, it should be easy to backup and share and sync the database, via torrent in bulk and/or sharding in blocks or whatever, perhaps in a blockchain. A crypto/rewards system would be nice but that's a whole other layer ripe for corruption and exploitation. IMO, better to let the users do that among themselves.

I suppose folks might prefer phone apps to web pages. Prepare for that I guess - and prepare to be censored/blocked/banned from corporate app stores and git vaults.

That's enough dreaming for now. I could go on and on and on but I'm getting tired.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Thanks for the feedback. I am a programmer myself but I don't have the time to do this. But at least I can understand the programming concepts involved. I won't bother looking into this deeply unless I decide to go forward with funding this.

I didn't emphasize this in my post, but I strongly support a good federated system. No one knows what the ideal software should do, but if the data is federated then people can try different ideas. A key thing is that a strong search system must work across the federation.

If I do go forward, I will make a forum to discuss the details. You can present your ideas there, but me and the programmer will have the final say.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

/u/d3rr and /u/magnora7, I don't know if you saw my ideas two comments up, but they might be worth noting as some fundamentals if you were to ever consider starting over/migrating/evolving/whatever.

Just watching a Styx livestream video it suddenly occurred to me that there's a potentially super simple solution that's been staring me in the face. No, not Mr. 666, I mean a concept. Perhaps Mr. Moneybags Investor /u/fschmidt can run the numbers on this as an investment.

First, it's common knowledge that in addition to boatloads in advertisements YouTube takes 30% of all superchats (while soft censoring denying ads and super chats to "objectionable" content and/or simply shadow banning them).

Styx mirroring his content across four, stated that he already had too many platforms to investigate more (Mastodon, etc.).

Here's my pitch: Not just a news aggregator forum like SaidIt, but also 1) a platform aggregator (some kind of GUI to set up bots that will automatically post their content linked to the various diverse platforms - super simple for the content creators with better things to do, yet still has deep optional customization), and 2) an income aggregator (some kind of income accounting and management system, including as many currencies and cryptocurrencies as is necessary - critically transparent and verifiable at every level). These 3 aggregators could be developed separately but designed to cross integrate or be combined which to me seems like a security risk.

Naturally, they would be prime targets so federating and security would be even more critically essential than ever. Here's the best part: Every content creator with an account would need to host their own little corner of the federated blockchain, though it would make more sense to keep their financial stuff on a private server, they could have a second server that is more robust and publicly active to actually participate. A Raspberry Pi 400 is only ~$70-$100, is extremely portable, and could be their private wallet with backup options. A Pi might not make the best robust public server, or maybe it might enough if there are enough out there. Or maybe a non-corporate-OS phone is good enough.

I could go on with my science fiction, but that's the nutshell idea. Of course it should be open-source. And of course the percentage cut that the 3 aggregators would get could be discussed in the forums and such. Typically agents get 10-20% which is still much better than YouTube, though perhaps 3-5% is simply enough, leaving more to be taken by those who are federation mirrors and/or IPFS archives. I'll let you do the math.

Imagine... a triumvirate federation.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It might be worth creating a sub to discuss Next-Gen-Forum building, policies, federating, searching, democracy, etc. I would hope it's FLOSS too. I don't code, so my say is moot.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Saidit looks like a basket case.

A "basket case" compared to what? Do you have an ideal

They don't allow mods to moderate and they are too lazy to work to avoid censorship.

Do you have evidence to support this claim?

If I do finance this, I will make sure that it is federated.

You should probably hurry up and finance your own federated version.

It will take some time to build up the user base.

Best of luck with that.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

A "basket case" compared to what? Do you have an ideal

https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/jtuy2d/is_there_a_reddit_alternative_that_doesnt_suck/

Do you have evidence to support this claim?

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/6s3g/rule_4/ https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/65k1/we_are_being_forced_by_our_server_company_to/

You should probably hurry up and finance your own federated version.

I don't expect this to be profitable anytime soon, so I would finance this as a kind of charity, so no rush.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'd guess the rush is to beat the censorship and to build a base to speak truth about power while still somewhat effective, etc. After the totalitarians have everything locked down there's no point in creating a freedom app for a handful of people locked out of the system.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If Biden wins then America is finished. And that would happen before anything can be developed.

But the point is that a good distributed system will win in the end regardless of how long it takes. So no rush, let's get this right. I will decide how to go forward this week.

[–]d3rr 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

As it stands, saidit is not in a good place to become federated. Imo the best we can do is to provide data dumps so that saidit mirrors/clones can be easily setup.

But taking a step back, if someone were to write a weekly series on the state of federated reddits, I think everyone would benefit. There's only about 3 projects to cover- lemmy, loltide, and one other. There's huge interest around this topic, but no leadership and no marketing.

You or someone creating the hype train will inspire devs to hurry the fuck up, and lead devs with time to these projects.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don't know enough about any of it - other than it's critically important.

I have a few priority projects on the go right now. But perhaps in the spring we can dev some plans, unless /u/fschmidt takes the lead. I know every second counts, but I need to finish a few things before I can be effective at anything else.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You know the perfect amount for it, but yeah I understand that you have a lot of irons in the fire.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know the other forums, don't do WikiSpooks as much as I should, and never do Mastodon. I already know I take on too much, complete too little, and come through barely at all - like so many in Nor Cal (not you). In LA it's all talk. In NY everyone is hustling for what. I'm too disappointed in Canada to pigeon hole the East or West or Windsor, though still better than most I suppose.

I have no idea what I'd do for a weekly series. I can't even start up a SaidIt best-of news aggregation series or finish my own story - or my own subs or CSS themes. There's not enough time to save the world!!! (There might be if I broke my input addiction, though at least lately I'm busy doing more physically while listening, though I was always doing but digitally before.)

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll say this for the sake of others reading, not to pressure you. The weekly series would be 1 paragraph each for 3 federated reddit projects. A quick status update like new features implemented or new discussions happening by the dev team. Just a little trickle of info so people can follow along and get excited. Fuck maybe I should, I aint doing shit lately.

[–]macadoum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The one-other is Littr.

[–]iraelmossadreddit 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

that's impossible to do because they will just have someone post illegal pictures of children and then since there are no mods the goverment will take it down...

We can only have a decentralized saidit when there is decentralized internet.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fair point.

[–]Canbot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

What if there was a way for everyone to have their own subs hosted on their own servers? Then the main site would have the front page which would source from a selection of subs, and have an index of all subs. But everyone's web browser would store the IP of every sub they are subscribed to and go there directly whenever the site is down. Your web browser would throw up a cached "offline" version whenever the site is DDoS'd or shut down for ease of use. Then you would just click through to your favorite sub. Each sub would store the encrypted user/password file so everyone can log in with the same user and pass on each sub.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is what I'm talking about!

[–]3rdFuckingAccount 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That already exists, its called zeronet

[–]macadoum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This is a really good idea. I think this is the way communities.win works. I suppose they have one main server, which serve their website (thedonald.win) then propose to others to host their communities to communities.win and all you have to bring is a domain name. Maybe they even use the saidit/reddit codebase. I don't know, this is pure supposition.

I would be awesome if SaidIt can bring something similar. I dream to get my own SaidIt-like forum, for which I already have some ideas : french-only, one user can own 1 sub only, 10 max posts (posts and comments) per day (use wikis, private messaging or really have something to say, concentrate the information you give), 5-10 big multisubs anchored on top of the front-page, sub must be part of a multisub, no friend option, etc,etc...

Ideally, one login could be used to log to both my website and SaidIt, and to other websites of the network, the way communities.win do it.

This would be not a decentralised network as ActivityPub state it, but it could be called a federation.

I just do not have the technical skills to set up my own saidit-like, so I'm dependent of other people here.

What do you think u/JasonCarswell u/magnora7 u/d3rr ?

[–]d3rr 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

saidit/reddit supports oauth, so saidit/reddit could certainly be used for account management for other domains/sites/apps.

The .win login approach only works because they control all of those sites. If someone else ran one, they could def steal user credentials. It's kinda hacky what they have from a security perspective. It is cool how effective they've been though.

[–]macadoum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And could you help me launch my own saidit-like ?

[–]AcceleratedWallops 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (16 children)

What makes you think Biden will be a threat to Saidit?

Biden also said he would restore net neutrality; that's a big win for freedom of speech online.

[–]Spaceplone 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

net neutrality has nothing to do with freedom of speech

[–]AcceleratedWallops 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

That's a wild hot take.

Pay Comcast $8/mo for the privilege of using Saidit to continue this conversation now!

[–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

no, net neutrality has nothing to do with free speech, but rather the ability of companies to restrict access to services / sites.

One is related to speech, the other to commerce.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's the use of commerce to restrict speech. You're just arguing semantics--the outcome is the same.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sometimes small differences in semantics matter.

net neutrality is all about the $$$$ players. If you sign up with AT&T, maybe they don't let you access Disney+, because they've got a deal with Netflix. Maybe another ISP only lets you access some sites they've made deals with.

We already have a form of it, with many carriers offering free data to facebook, but not elsewhere.

The freedom of speech issues of that are a secondary, and even if you protect that secondary right, unless you deal with net neutrality, it doesn't mean anything.

At the same time, you can deal with net neutrality, but unless you protect freedom of speech, you haven't achieved your goals either.

So both must be addressed, as they are different aspects of the issue.

tl,dr; Yes, semantics. No, 'just'. No, "outcome is the same"

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You need to dig deeper.

[–]scrubking[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That never happened even though people like you said it would. 'net neutrality' is propaganda to make you think that what the govt wants is your freedom when what it really wants is control over what you say and do.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It hasn't happened because it's only been a few years since net neutrality was removed. They would need the public to forget about it for a while and then implement censorship slowly.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Truth.

[–]flugegeheimen 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

What makes you think Biden will be a threat to Saidit?

Yeah, what makes you think a party big on censorship and cancel culture will be a threat to a site where a lot of users don't have their noses deep in Biden's rear end? It's not like he already promised to increase censorship and he is not even a president yet.

[–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"Cancel culture" is a Twitter phenomenon. And people seem eager to call themselves cancelled whenever they get called out for anything.

And since when are Dems "big on censorship" (other than Feinstein, but fuck her anyway)?

That task force thing could be a cause for concern, but it also doesn't really say what they plan on doing; "shining a light" on issues could be nothing. We'll see.

[–]flugegeheimen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And since when are Dems "big on censorship" (other than Feinstein, but fuck her anyway)?

When they weren't? (I'd bother to put up a more coherent argument but not when you are so obviously playing dumb).

[–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

With the exception of Feinstein, all the pro-censorship bills in congress come from Republicans.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The Republicans kept extending copyright and making it so you can't strum The Mickey Mouse March on your guitar without the copyright police breaking your door down. UN american!!!!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I used to think Biden would fix internet censoring as he had a 1.4 trillion dollar infrastructure plan and Trump has(d) NO infrastructure plan to boost us which we haven't been fixed since 2005 but it sounds like he isn't any better!.

I don't call random duck tape and patching leaky pipes as 'fixing'. :) Oops it looks like today it's increased to 3 trillion.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

If you believe ANY government you're still watching too much legacy media.

[–]RightousBob 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Biden is a pos Alzheimer's patient who can't remember that his son smokes crack and fucks his niece. I'd be surprised if Ol' pedo Joe even knows what computer is!

[–]fschmidt 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

His backers, big tech, certainly know what a computer is.

[–]3rdFuckingAccount 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Let's be honest, biden is probably going to die in 1-2 years, and then fucking harris will take over. America can't survive a Harris presidency

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder how long he'll last in prison?

[–]AmericanMuskrat 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

Biden did win but I think saidit will be fine. I think the worst that'll happy is we might not be allowed to say chicks with dicks aren't really chicks anymore.

How does that work anyways? You wake up after a hazy one night stand horrified to find your date has a penis. She says don't worry, I identify as a woman. Whew you think, I was almost gay but that was a woman's penis so it's okay.

No! It doesn't work like that unless they're pinoy lady bois. They get the only pass.

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    [–]AmericanMuskrat 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    NY already does that, I heard misgendering someone is a felony there. Jesus, people have gone nuts.

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    It's law in Canada.

    [–]Ok-Dawg_987 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The fact that you lot are having this discussion does indeed prove that people have gone nuts.

    [–]Extract 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

    He didn't win - he is on a path to win, unless SCOTUS rules otherwise once a the relevant lawsuits reach them.

    But, if he does, I'm actually sure Saidit will be fine, in itself.

    What will happen is federal government starts requesting identifying info of certain users who have "no no opinions", and if those users happen to live in the USA (or any country with laws similar to what the establishment would draft, like most of Europe or Austrailia), he'll be promptly arrested for "hate speech" by his local authorities (oh, and you better believe US will start cooperating with such authorities).

    [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    holy feck. better hope we used burner emails to set up our accounts then. If it gets serious, /u/magnora7, can you let us know so we can hop on VPNs

    [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    If they start doing stuff like that, we'll move our hosting outside the US. Right now we chose to avoid the EU and stuff like that because of things like this.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I'd be happy to help in whatever way I can from Canada, limited as that is.

    Any chance of putting SaidIt on ZeroNet? I have Namecoin from 2016 for a domain. It might make for a good backup/archive or something.

    [–]fschmidt 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

    Why? Can't saidit just move everything out of America?

    [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah we can and we would if necessary

    [–]scrubking[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

    Ya but magnora said he wasnt moving anymore because of the trouble.

    [–]magnora7 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    No I've said the opposite, that moving is a possibility I've been exploring, but some other things have to be completed first so it'll be a month or two at least

    [–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    link?

    [–]scrubking[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    It's somewhere in this sub when people were complaining about him banning a sub.

    [–]Enza 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Search for info on the banning of IP2

    [–]Hellothereawesome 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    whats IP2?

    [–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    history

    [–]Fitter_Happier 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    There's always.... aaand it's gone.

    Lawyer up or we're fucked.

    Marsh v. Alabama: If the public square is privately owned the First Amendment applies.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh and say good bye to all the talk radio shows too. Off the air permanently and you'll get government approved stations like the modern Youtube censoring.

    [–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I think many sites will have to find a way to survive in the coming political climate. Major infrastructure holders will start applying more and more pressure.

    [–]f--k_trump 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    there's always parler.

    [–][deleted]  (5 children)

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      [–]f--k_trump 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      do they? Won't ever go there so I have to take your word for it

      [–]HowLongCanTheUsernam 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

      For example? Or bullshit?

      [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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        [–]HowLongCanTheUsernam 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

        "it was reported"? Great source, bro!

        [–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Trump or Biden, 4th Industrial Revolution / The Great Reset are underway.

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        ^

        [–]LesbianOutlaw 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

        The U.S. is not the world.

        Just host it outside of the U.S.

        [–]bobbobbybob 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

        Oh, you young thing, so naive.

        The US isn't the US if biden wins, and every single globalist leader who said "6uild 6ack 6etter" is part of the NWO structure that will be birthed into public consciousness (its in 'conspiracy' land still).

        Finding a non-globalist hosting space will be hard

        [–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Just look for a country that hasn't recognized Biden yet. Russia and Mexico for example.

        [–]3rdFuckingAccount 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

        non-globalist hosting space

        Japan bruh

        [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

        [–]3rdFuckingAccount 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        What is that pdf supposed to illuminate? Its just a study on disaster management? Yes, Clinton's name is present on the document, just because something is associated with Clinton doesn't automatically make it demonic, also, that website is just a resource list for disaster management

        [–]bobbobbybob 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

        Japan is the source of "build Back Better", fully baked in with the globalists, so "bruh" was a bit premature, "bruh"

        [–]3rdFuckingAccount 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        build Back Better

        If a globalist said 'IRC is good for comms', should IRC be permanently associated with globalists? This 'build back better' is just a phrase, just because globalists use it doesn't make it 'baked in with globalists'

        [–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        <facepalm>

        the bullshit people will chose to believe to refuse to see reality.

        [–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

        buT tHe IlLuMInAti (dESu)

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

        bbb => 666

        There's a never ending list of hidden in plain sight satanic symbolism.

        :-/

        Edit:

        better business bureau (bbb.org) ???

        [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        bush blair berlusconi

        the iraq war crminal 3

        [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        LOL

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        lol

        [–]goobandit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        So uh, where’s the after party?

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        If Trump wins, then we should expect a civil war in the US.

        [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

        We should expect it regardless, even if it takes 4 or 8 more years.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

        We should expect it regardless, even if it takes 4 or 8 more years.

        It'll start this term IMO. Probably in the next two months.

        The riots were the precursor.

        [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        I don't know. We've been talking about civil war for years. I think things can get much worse before actual civil war happens. I suspect they'll try to draw it out as long as possible too - all aspects: pre war suffering, war time, and post war suffering.

        Famine first. People need to get more desperate before they're all motivated. They're still fat and playing video games.

        [–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        When there is no electricity to play the next Assassin's Creed THEN you'll get your war you want so bad and it wont' end the way you think. You'll regret wanting this war.

        [–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        why?

        [–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Uhhh...no? Repealing Section 230 was a Trump thing.

        [–]Franklinville 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Biden won.