Saidit is currently undergoing the largest DDOS attack we've ever had

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[–]magnora7[S] 165 insightful - 12 fun165 insightful - 11 fun166 insightful - 12 fun -  (46 children)

Also we're not only being technologically attacked, but culturally attacked as well. Please read this post from /u/Extract and be aware of the full situation regarding these attacks on saidit:

What if I told you, that the last refugee wave was large enough for some propaganda organizations to put this site on their radar?

What if I told you the concern trolls posting those threads/comments are the first wave of shills, whose goal is to slowly corrupt this site the same way most platforms (like many subreddits, in their time) get corrupted? Notice how most of those concern trolls highlight problems that could actually be solved by their own participation - but, that would actually help the site, while their goal is clearly to (slowly) undermine it.

They will also cite the new influx of users as a good thing, and threaten it ends if $demandList isn't met, while in reality much of this activity is artificially created by those shills (not most votes, just the early spike that makes it visible enough for other people to upvote it for the sake of discussion).

This isn't going to stop, by the way - this is only going to get worse the more popular this site gets bigger.

I think some things on the top of the front page these last few days reflect this type of cultural attack, and I think the users of saidit need to be aware that this activity is happening. This is why voat and so many other alternatives have problems with their culture being hijacked by dedicated extremists. It's a deliberate tactic to poison the well, to lower the signal-to-noise ratio and drive others away. People need to be aware that this is a real problem.

[–][deleted] 72 insightful - 4 fun72 insightful - 3 fun73 insightful - 4 fun -  (45 children)

Very insightful. We need to be on our toes. So many posts making it to the front page advocating censorship.

[–]magnora7[S] 97 insightful - 7 fun97 insightful - 6 fun98 insightful - 7 fun -  (44 children)

It's a problem-reaction-solution situation. They're creating the problem by posting terrible things that technically don't break site rules, and then also posting soon after "How dare saidit allow all these terrible things?" And then whatever our response, saidit can be made to look bad.

If we remove the terrible things (that don't break site rules) then we get accused of censorship, but if we ignore the people concern-trolling about the terrible things then it looks like we're tacitly condoning it. It's a lose-lose position to be in, but that's the whole point of the attack, and why it works in the first place.

I'm starting to think the only real way to overcome this is for the users of the website to become wise to these tactics, so that's why I've decided to speak out about these tactics, because people need to know.

[–]FediNetizen 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

I was one of the people in the comments of those threads and for the record my concerns are entirely genuine. It's just really tiring to interact with people that have obsessive racial worldviews (whether they're right-wing or left-wing). Their views usually come from a place of ignorance and it's just tedious because they often get hostile when you tell them they're wrong

Also, even though I've been on the internet a long time and have a tolerance for extremism personally, that stuff scares away the normies, which will make it harder for the site to grow. I'd really love to be a part of a site like the reddit I knew 10 years ago.

[–]magnora7[S] 66 insightful - 3 fun66 insightful - 2 fun67 insightful - 3 fun -  (23 children)

Their views usually come from a place of ignorance and it's just tedious because they often get hostile when you tell them they're wrong

You don't seem to understand what we're saying. These people don't actually hold these views. They're just saying this stuff, and getting in to fights, because it drives people away from the website.

They're intentionally starting fights and trolling people all while pretending to be "extremists". Their main goal is to drive normal people away, not to actually promote their ideology. The ideology is just a cover to cause chaos and damage the information quality of the forum

[–]Fitter_Happier 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

trolling people all while pretending to be "extremists".

The term you're looking for is False Flag Attacks and is the oldest trick in the book militarily.

[–]magnora7[S] 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

I guess it technically is a false flag attack because they're pretending to be another ideology they don't believe, I've never thought about it like that before. However instead of dropping bombs, they're just making a mess of a good forum

[–]Fitter_Happier 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

And false flags are always used as a pretense to attack. It's ancient, but a more recent example; Hitler had German troops dress as Poles and attack and actually kill Germans hence riling up the Germans to attack Poland. Another example; a few years ago thousands of bomb threats were phoned in to synagogues, they all came from an Israeli teen presumably trying to get the US government to crack down on White Nationalists.

[–]magnora7[S] 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Hm yes true. What you say reminds me of this, where they were talking about planning to do the same thing to Iran: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYnjBJZxpGY

[–]Fitter_Happier 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

You know DDOS attacks are illegal don't you? i.e. you are a victim of criminal activity, this isn't just some "activists", these are criminals attacking you. You have every right to call the authorities.

[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ethnic Germans in Poland were being attacked by military and civilians for many months, Hitler finally went to help them. What you are citing is Russian propaganda.

[–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I am citing is David Irving's "Hitler's War". Obviously could be wrong but his whole schtick was to only use primary sources so I tend to believe him.

[–]Sage 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Hitler had German troops dress as Poles and attack and actually kill Germans hence riling up the Germans to attack Poland" Source?

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Hitler's War" by David Irving. If you bust my balls I may even find the page but until then you'll have to trust me, it's in there as I just read it.

[–]motionlessoracle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you sticky a post or a message to the top of /s/all explaining this? Or some kind of message every user is guaranteed to see once?

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nice 5D chess

[–]bobbobbybob 28 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 5 fun29 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

I'd really love to be a part of a site like the reddit I knew 10 years ago.

Stop trying to force saidit to be your own personal website. We have our rules, we have our flavour, and its not one thing or another. You can fit in, or FUCK OFF.

It's just really tiring to interact with people that have obsessive racial worldviews

The problem is that YOU define what is 'radical'. So you say that the jewish question is verboten, and demand it is silenced. That in itself is a radical viewpoint for people who have taken off the blinkers and are aware of the undercurrents in the world. But then people like you say that even talking about these things is tantamount to declaring genocide.

it is all so tiring.

Just let people speak, and if you don't like it, say other things that are more engaging or interesting

[–]jet199 22 insightful - 14 fun22 insightful - 13 fun23 insightful - 14 fun -  (3 children)

I've just read that you are just pretending to be racist to make saidit look back so I guess we can just ignore you now.

[–]Nelumbo 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

lol

[–]Extract 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

On a serious note - of course there will be real anti-semites mixed among the shills.

I'll tell you another secret - you could have been laughing at them and ignoring them from the very get-go.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

?

[–]Honestanonymous 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

People are speaking dude...you're the one screaming at them to fuck off if they don't fit in, whats wrong with you?

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah, so ignore 90% of my post and be a dick, you can fuck off too.

[–]Locke 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm who started one of the threads (and I really appreciate your comments, Fedinetizen.). My concerns are genuine too. I said my piece and I'm glad it was seen.

All I wanted was for mods to see it and I'm glad you did. I was very clear on I just don't want people driven away from the site. Please do something about it if you agree that's all these people are trying to do. I'm not here to only post about that sort of thing, but it bothered me a lot as a new user to see the front page flooded with that. I already know a few people who considered trying Saidit after recent Reddit bans who were turned off by those posts and haven't bothered creating an account here. I'm not disputing their right to make the posts and I agree posting a greater variety of content will help, but we're not going to get more posts if more people don't post here.

The gender critical subs are very active and when I include them in my front page the conspiracy theory and antisemitism posts are drowned out. I've seen the justification for some of these not being in /s/all is they don't allow debate. The people quickly turning to personal attacks because I called them out obviously aren't allowing debate either. Why allow them in /s/all? I'm not saying ban them, I just really don't understand the reasoning behind allowing them to flood the front page, especially if you agree that scaring away new users is exactly what they're after. Why give them the chance?

[–]soundsalad 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Pointing out that a certain group of people disproportionately occupy very influential sectors of society and even claim themselves that they control Hollywood is not inherently racist. It's a provable fact.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

True but that's not the shit we're complaining about and you know it.

[–]soundsalad 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Who the fuck are you? Don't tell me what I do or don't know. Your post does not indicate at all that you are complaining about anything other than the fact that Jewish Supremacy dominates our society.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Now you're getting into the territory I was talking about. It's true to say that black people in america commit more crimes per capita. Where you start talking about how that proves genetic inferiority is where you go off the deep end.

In the same way, it's fine to point out that in comparison to their population Jewish people do wield a lot of influence, but it doesn't mean society is dominated by Jews or that there's some kind of mass conspiracy. That's where you lose people.

[–]bobbobbybob 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Keep up the education. i'm aware and take great pleasure in telling the shills to fuck off

[–]Riva 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe we should let people know about board slides.

Maybe we could educate our users about the shills. Have an anti shill training sub? I don't know, I'm just free Wheeling here to suggest possible solutions.

Knowledge is power.

[–]copenseethe 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This happened on reddit. Subs that were in disfavor (usually right leaning subs) were bombarded with unsavory posts and CP. The people that were responsible for that used it as an argument for banning the sub. Leftwing subs that commonly had posts that called for violence were allowed to continue without interference.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They've been banned now in the name of centrism being the only true political stance

[–]Fitter_Happier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

iirc there were a few sacrificial lambs but the vast majority of subs banned were merely "right wing". It has everything to with racism/immigration/any criticism of Jewish endeavors, nothing to do with violence per se.

[–]portcity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This strikes me as typical Gamergate style tactics (which I've been on the receiving end of), where the attacker pokes the bear enough times until they get to pose as the victim, making the actual victim out to be the attacker. Really ugly behavior that's difficult to defend against. Slimy and slippery.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I agree. Luckily I am good at ignoring stuff that I know is just trying to mess with me.