How to prevent this from becoming a racist cesspool like voat

submitted by davidorr from self.SaidIt

Make all default subs have moderators that are politically moderate, and ban extreme political language posts on both sides.

Let far right people say whatever they want in non-default subs.

Otherwise your site will never take off.

Far right people: You should be in favor of this too, unless you really want to be in a box away from everyone else in the world (like on voat).

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    [–]Lad 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    The OP clearly has no understanding of free speech. It's hilarious when people come to this site and get upset when other people say some offensive shit.

    [–]fartwaffen 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    "look, free speech is my opinions like totally being OK and the like, totally unnecessary opinions I disagree with, are like banned. I mean, whats so hard to understand?!"

    [–]Edge_Finder 30 insightful - 5 fun30 insightful - 4 fun31 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    also you say you want moderators to be "moderate" yet you trying to push away a sigh, right political standpoint... where as i suppose raising minimum wage, open borders, free everything is totally acceptable to you?

    Far right people: You should be in favor of this too

    spoken like a true "radical leftist" telling me how i should be thinking and what whats best for me... naw I don't think so.

    [–]Edge_Finder 27 insightful - 5 fun27 insightful - 4 fun28 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

    so your answer is to be reddit?

    [–]FediNetizen 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

    Nah reddit has a "west coast leftie" slant to it. Conservatives get banned but you can talk about punching women for not validating men all you want as long as the men are trans.

    [–]Edge_Finder 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    dont forget all the porn they totally accaple, and depictions of underage pronography, something with voat allows too.

    Voat isn't all that "racist" some just use it for shock value, to think they are edgy.

    [–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Voat's just lame and boring. They have one note and they play it over and over again.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    You forgot the part about grooming teenagers and young children into trans-extremism. This includes freely posting inappropriate porn that is easy for any user to access even without an account, as well as creating subs with childhood-cartoon themes to lure them in.

    [–]Edge_Finder 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Loli porn

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    "Sonic says Trans is Cool!"

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    depictions of underage pronography,

    WTF?

    [–]Edge_Finder 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    also, voat is very acceptable to black opinion if they make sense, fuck i introduced them to JLP and a few other. sure you are going to get a jackass put you just ignore

    [–]Extract 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    Hmm, another account with no comment history going "we need to hide those no-no opinions away".
    I wonder what this could be..

    I'll just leave this here:

    What if I told you, that the last refugee wave was large enough for some propaganda organizations to put this site on their radar?

    What if I told you the concern trolls posting those threads/comments are the first wave of shills, whose goal is to slowly corrupt this site the same way most platforms (like many subreddits, in their time) get corrupted? Notice how most of those concern trolls highlight problems that could actually be solved by their own participation - but, that would actually help the site, while their goal is clearly to (slowly) undermine it.

    They will also cite the new influx of users as a good thing, and threaten it ends if $demandList isn't met, while in reality much of this activity is artificially created by those shills (not most votes, just the early spike that makes it visible enough for other people to upvote it for the sake of discussion).

    This isn't going to stop, by the way - this is only going to get worse the more popular this site gets bigger.

    [–]book-of-saturday 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    what's up with all these new posts about people having their feelings hurt and wanting to censor everything here? the rest of the internet is already a communist safe space, so no thanks

    [–]magnora7 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/5jp4/saidit_is_currently_undergoing_the_largest_ddos/lexf

    [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Bots. Paid trolls. Hardcore activists.

    [–]magnora7 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

    I am going to copy-paste that for emphasis, because it needs saying again. The users of saidit need to understand that this is happening. The information attacks are real, and this is a problem all social media, and the users, are going to have to come to understand and deal with so we can overcome it. What you've said is very very accurate, and I am saying this as the head admin of this website as I've watched it change and grow every day over almost 3 years.

    What if I told you, that the last refugee wave was large enough for some propaganda organizations to put this site on their radar?

    What if I told you the concern trolls posting those threads/comments are the first wave of shills, whose goal is to slowly corrupt this site the same way most platforms (like many subreddits, in their time) get corrupted? Notice how most of those concern trolls highlight problems that could actually be solved by their own participation - but, that would actually help the site, while their goal is clearly to (slowly) undermine it.

    They will also cite the new influx of users as a good thing, and threaten it ends if $demandList isn't met, while in reality much of this activity is artificially created by those shills (not most votes, just the early spike that makes it visible enough for other people to upvote it for the sake of discussion).

    This isn't going to stop, by the way - this is only going to get worse the more popular this site gets bigger.

    [–]Extract 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    On a related note (and don't answer this here, by the way), I really hope you guys have at least some of the heavy-duty user-behavior analyzers that current Reddit has - the kind that takes as input the login/view/upvote pattern of monitored accounts, and outputs the likelihood of it matching specific models (which are tuned to find shills, trolls, etc).

    You should really focus on this (either development or improvement) if you hope this site survives, as at some point (once saidit is large enough) manually banning shills is going to become impractical, while letting them brigade unchallenged is even worse.

    [–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes I understand, thank you. We have tools like this that are constantly being improved and I realize they will become more necessary as the population of saidit increases.

    [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The "new users" being women who don't drink the trans Kool-Aid, and political conservatives?

    [–]Raavan 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Fellow saiditers, we must disallow far right opinions being spoken of on this website, or our website will not survive.

    Jokes apart, I'm growing more and more pessimistic by the day. The internet is so heavily censored, commercialized and monetized that every website is getting paid shills posting on it. I don't even have a strong political lean but it's so tiring and saddening to see all waters dirtied by those shills who want to control the narrative.

    [–]Extract 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Guess by being here you can finally learn what they meant by "freedom isn't free".

    If you want your uncensored space, it's up to you to protect it from shills, not anyone else.

    [–]Raavan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    You're right. Anything we can do on an individual level for that?

    [–]Extract 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes, we in fact can.

    l'll post in more detail once I finish /s/ShillWall today or tomorrow.

    [–]NaughtyUnicorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Creating quality content that will drown them out would be a good start.

    [–]sadocgawkroger 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Another censorship shill?

    [–]book-of-saturday 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    exactly right

    [–]fartwaffen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Look at it's post history and might understand.

    [–]PencilPusher55 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think racism is horrible. I do. But what's comical to me is that far left people openly say, even on THE MSM that whites need to go, we're destroying insert literally anything, that we are inherently racist and barbaric.

    Wild how the main stream media can say this shit but if it's from the other side and about non-whites than that makes it extreme political language.

    [–]magnora7 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Make all default subs have moderators that are politically moderate

    How do you expect me to create and enforce such a thing? Sorry, this is a fantasy that has no way of actually happening, even if I wanted it to

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 12 fun5 insightful - 11 fun6 insightful - 12 fun -  (1 child)

    Make all mods send you dick pics:

    • Tiny dick - CCP shill
    • Cut dick - JIDF shill
    • AI dick - Crypto shill
    • Female dick - Far Left Extremist
    • No dick - TERF Extremist
    • Thunderbolt-shaped dick - Far Right Extremist
    • Shriveled dick - Trump Supporter

    PS: /s Fuck it, I’m not sending mine

    [–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Go back to reddit

    [–]medium_tomato 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You are assuming that everyone who got censored on reddit is far right... That's just the trap they want you to fall into. Most of us here are actually still left or moderate.

    If you only agree with 99% of what they say instead of the full 100% you are labeled far right, evil, bigot, etc.

    [–]hfxB0oyA 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    If you don't like what you see, there's a little [-] link beside each comment. If you want this to not become a cesspool; stay, contribute your own content, and argue with the people you disagree with instead of calling for them to be banned. Democracy is messy, but everyone should get the opportunity to have their say, even if you think it's garbage. Even you and I should get that right.

    [–]hfxB0oyA 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh, and fuck Reddit.

    [–]flugegeheimen 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    and ban extreme political language posts on both sides.

    Let far right people say whatever they want in non-default subs.

    Man, you literally couldn't keep your "both sides" disguise for more than one sentence. I don't know what training shills receive these days but it's clearly not enough.

    [–]whateverman 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Why would anyone be in favour of their own censorship? You can challenge racist viewpoints or simply mark other responses you find insightful. It's easy.

    [–]Lad 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "Otherwise your site will never take off." Hahaha, according to who... you? What a joke, who's going to listen to some random fool online who has no real understanding of free speech and how to make websites "take off".

    [–]veetnampho 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Fuck off with your concern trolling and back to reddit.

    [–]Zednix 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If you would like to censor people you can go back to your CCP website like reddit. Leftists/Wokeists and Alt-Rightists will say whatever trash they want to say. If you want to see less of it post more of what you want to see.

    [–]Tortoise 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Banning opinions from mainstream subs...

    Boy, that sure does not sound like any other website we know of.

    [–]asterias 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    My fellow saiditors

    Sounds familiar...

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh god, is this another transactivist extremist making threats?

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "Far-right" here- anyone claiming that we are pro-free speech absolutists is LARPing. There is nothing productive from racial slurs and a large plurality of "users" are pretending to be alt-right when in reality they are NGO or Reddit's Pinkertons trying to break up new communities.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    the OP is a chink and is getting paid by the CPP

    [–]Antifa 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    How about you take your agenda for someone else's site, and fuck right off.

    Oy vey!

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    must prove racists wrong, if possible

    [–]OvenBuilder 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Restricting free speech sounds very Israeli

    [–]Papitas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You shills have a so tiny mind that you can only concieve black and white, left and right…

    You, simpletons, are so boring.

    [–]WhoseTolerant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    9 day old account.

    You're not here to be a part of anything.

    [–]Invicta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The responsibility to police what you see is your own.

    [–]galaxybrain 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The far-left fills other sites with anti-white propaganda non-stop, but I guess that's seen as so normal, that when a handful of people say something a little off-colour in the other direction, it seems shocking. Sorry, that's free speech.

    [–]davidorr[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    In this thread: A bunch of people that want to be put in a box forever.