I know this site is for free speech and all but please cut the antisemitism and conspiracy theory bs from the front page. It's not a good look and is going to drive people away from trying the site.

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[–]Locke[S] 14 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 6 fun -  (55 children)

I never stated antisemitism and conspiracy theories are related, I said neither should be prominently displayed. I'm not "snobbish" for disagreeing with "alternative facts" and you can go off and pretend I am all you want. This might as well be called right wing Reddit and you're certainly not convincing me otherwise. Two different kinds of Internet cesspools. Lovely.

I'm theoretically supposed to be able to call out what I disagree with here. So are you. Go ahead and go off, call me whatever you want, IDGAF. I see the echo chambers are already working here similarly to Reddit and I'm disappointed. Maybe I shouldn't have expected better.

Unless the mods start caring so many people will be turned off by this site there's no way it will be able to compete with Reddit. Let people leave if they don't agree with everything? That's certainly not in the rules. Is this about free speech or not? Do we want something with actual mass appeal or not?

By all means say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to see it.

[–]wristaction 39 insightful - 6 fun39 insightful - 5 fun40 insightful - 6 fun -  (29 children)

In summary, you want the mods to ban people from discussing a certain topic which is also banned on every other platform including reddit.

[–]Locke[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (28 children)

I never said ban it. I said don't prominently display it on the front page.

[–]magnora7 39 insightful - 10 fun39 insightful - 9 fun40 insightful - 10 fun -  (27 children)

How exactly do you expect an admin to do that? You want me to fake the upvote counts to diminish something? Not doing that, sorry.

What are you actually proposing here?

[–]Turnaround 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Maybe we can not include some of the more.. "out there" or "distasteful" subs in /all ?

I'm a conservative, but coming on here seeing blatantly racist content is turning me off. I personally didn't leave reddits obvious extreme left wing bias to be surrounded by obvious extreme right wing bias content. But in the interest of letting those people have their place, let's keep it to those that are subscribed to their subs.

[–]whistlepig 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That is how the internet is and has always been. Maybe you should go back to just using AOL.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Or ADL.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

That's fair, that's basically our policy right now, except how "out there" or "distasteful" something is is judged entirely by how frequently it drags discussion down the pyramid of debate: https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

I suppose I could tighten that up a bit, but then some people get angry that their free speech is being limited and fear that I am becoming the very censorship we created this place to escape, so it's always a balance.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Base it on pyramid of debate only. Don't start implementing a distasteful gauge. Lots of people distaste all kinds of things.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's how it is, and that's how it shall remain.

[–]PrisonMike 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Did you ever kick the idea around of somehow implementing the debate pyramid in the voting system?

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah like if you could vote what level a comment is on a mini pyramid instead of the voting buttons, that'd be cool. It'd take a big re-write of the code though, to add more than 2 categories of votes.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That would be so cool. I'd love that.

[–]PrisonMike 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ya I figured it would. Maybe it could work in a more roundabout way like the gild/award system in the platform-which-shall-not-be-named.

[–]everythings 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Way better to err on the side of less censorship than more. People who really want to be free will suffer the consequences of freedom and people who want their safe echo chambers with flee back to reddit and demand this site be nuked from the internet

[–]Extract 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Is blocking specific subs/users going to be possible soon?
Cause if the answer is yes, you got the solution for this.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You can mute subs.

[–]Extract 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Then those users got half of what they need.
Any subs that offend their sensibilities can be muted - add in the user option, and they can have their echo chamber.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I like it how it is.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's exactly what FREE SPEECH is all about: you WILL be exposed to views you disagree with. And if you have a mind worthy of that name, you just might learn where you are wrong. Like Jesus said, it's great the way it is.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Eventually, hopefully yes that will be a feature. It's basically at the top of our to-do list

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My point is that those people don't stay in their subs though.

You probably haven't been hanging out on the far/alt right subs, have you?

Most of the places you will have seen racist posts will be s/politics, s/worldnews, etc. You can't hide all subs like that and only have fluffy kittens on the front page. People mostly come to sites like this for the news and debate around it.

I have to also say I did often see the same level of racism on reddit, but it was often covered in weasel words. So rather than saying the jews were evil and behind everything they would say big pharma/ the banks/ the porn industry was conspiring against us then say "I wonder which group of people run those companies, I'm sure it's just a coincidence". Those comments would always get up voted on reddit and is I'd usually be the only one reporting them, I really hope that was down to the stupidity of casual readers.

So this is why I prefer it to be open. You hate to see the racist posts, good, that's a good and healthy reaction. However on reddit you may have well have been upvoting that same person's post, saying exactly the same thing just written in a more manipulative way. That is so dangerous. Yes, it feels better but you need to show it actually leads to better outcomes rather than allowing a more insidious political grooming.

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

those people don't stay in their subs though.

Well, tough titty. Neither do you. I don't want you in this sub. How do I go about banning YOU from the public square? I'd feel a lot safer if you just kept your mouth shut. You're making me uncomfortable.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which ones? You people are hinting at censroship but never give examples. Which posts exactly. Please enlighten us?

[–]Fitter_Happier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, let's ban the censoring fake "conservative" subs that are serving up pablum poison to the public.

[–]everythings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just go back to reddit you narrative controlling shill.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

you do keep ice poseidon and gender critical off the front page

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Atho I don't agree with it, IP2 asked to be removed themselves and GenderC keeps banning people for simply being different, having "wrong think" on and off their sub.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's becuase literally everything posted there is an ad hominem.

Conspiracy posts are full of real facts and debates.

If the workd understood the truth, they wouldn't stand for lies. If the world saw and stood for ice Poseidon, nothing wouod change or Aspergers would become a pandemic.

[–]fartwaffen 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He wants to 'shadowban' potentially offensive topics. Getting any dejavu?

[–]Questionable 39 insightful - 5 fun39 insightful - 4 fun40 insightful - 5 fun -  (10 children)

Right, you are only calling for censorship, and now playing the victim. Look, if you don't like the content leave.

[–]Locke[S] 8 insightful - 7 fun8 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 7 fun -  (9 children)

If you don't like my content leave the post. You don't like being told that, I bet, so why bother telling me? This site is supposedly about open debate, not trying to intimidate people you disagree with into leaving. Come back when you have some actual debate.

[–]Extract 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Thing is, you are not debating - you are saying "people (implying yourself as well) are going to leave unless a specific type of content gets censored (and yes, supression is censorship)".

The other person said what most of us agree with - people who want to leave unless something they dont like is censored (be that you or not) can as well get the fuck out right now and save themselves some time.

If you dislike specific comments in a thread, take the time to call them out (or debank them), or upvote comments doing so.

If you dislike the content of the front page, upvote better posts.

Like it or not, those conspiracy theorists are creating actual content for this site, while all you are doing is bitching about them.
Ironically, the very solution to this would be for you to create and upvote better content.

[–]Prism 15 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Dude's account is 2 days old and one of his only posts is conveniently calling for the censorship of "antisemitic conspiracy theories". His intentions are crystal clear.

[–]Jesus 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yup ignore him. His intentions are overt.

[–]book-of-saturday 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, these are the very same old tactics they used at reddit Obvious concern trolling

[–]noice 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

+1 on the calling-out / debunking specific comments. It's sometimes fun to do, and the community is generally appreciative (with upvotes)

[–]Questionable 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

That's the stupidest come back I have ever read. You made this thread, you invited criticism. It is you who is hiding behind a proxy pretending to speak for those who can not. It is you who are calling for censorship. It is you who are whining about the content you don't like. It is you who have the problem and it is you who are trying to intimidate me, here and now by again playing as a victim. I can not emphasis this enough, if you don't like the content on the front page. Fuck off! We don't cater to your demands!

[–]Prism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

2 day old account with a post history that only spans 1 page, and he's already calling for censorship of "antisemitic conspiracy theories" lol. Dude's obviously getting tired if he's this careless about hiding his intentions.

[–]veetnampho 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

0/10 Nice concern trolling attempt OP

[–]JasonCarswell 29 insightful - 8 fun29 insightful - 7 fun30 insightful - 8 fun -  (8 children)

You might actually learn something if you challenge yourself and read conspiracy theories and opposing opinions outside your bubble.

[–]Locke[S] 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

You might actually learn something if you read out of your own bubble.

[–]Uncle-Ruckus 24 insightful - 12 fun24 insightful - 11 fun25 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

You might actually learn something if you read out of your own bubble.

Is blatantly advocating for hiding content he disagrees with from main pages on a social media platform.

Ironic, he could save others from censorship, but not himself.

[–]JasonCarswell 14 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I try to all the time.

[–]Fitter_Happier 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Oh right, this line of reasoning. What makes you think you're so well read and everyone that disagrees with you lives in a bubble?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Like what, CNN? Fox and Friends?

I read the Judaica Encyclopedia. It has a lot of truth in it. Much ofmit amti-Semitic.

[–]LizbethBumpas 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

LOCKE YOUR A TROLL

[–]everythings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can’t believe you stole Locke’s name to do this.

Do you actually believe in the NWO or do you just need to feed your family

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You're goddamn right. :)

[–]jet199 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Straight in with the buzz words, assume my political stabs and don't actually address any of my points. Just ranting the void.

I suppose thinking that protestors are not immune to covid-19, that the Chinese government are committing genocide with everyone watching and Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself are all just alternative facts rather than things being covered up.

I don't know what you think I'm going to call you? I'll try and think of something. Precious, maybe. Reactive might be better.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How do you suggest dealing with ugly truths like Jewish people dominating our media? AIPAC requiring any presidential candidate kiss its ring? And a thousand more?

These things aren't wacko conspiracy theories. They are real. They are also being silenced, which is why they appear here.

[–]truth_reality_bliss 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you know what the word antisemitism means? It means being hostile towards a Jewish person. Hostile means unfriendly. By definition, antisemitism has nothing to do with racism, but it has been skewed to mean racism towards Jews. But essentially, you are telling people they aren't allowed to be unfriendly toward a Jewish person. Now that's the epitome of Jewish Supremacy.

If Jews are a race, then we should just use the word racism to describe anyone who views Jews as inferior based on their race or who treats Jews poorly simply based on their race.

They own the media and have created their own words to prevent you from even criticizing or being unfriendly toward them.

[–]smokratez 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your mistake is pretending the truth is a right wing conspiracy. You will have to do some growing as a human being.