GenderCritical does not belong on Saidit. The moderators are determined to not follow site rules.

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

After just five hours on this site, and being excited to have returned to the older days of Reddit, with freedom of speech, I have already received my first, permanent ban from a sub, /s/GenderCritical. Even Reddit did not manage to have me banned this quickly.

According to the rationale, I was banned for my supposed gender:

Accounts that post here and are known to be male will have their ability to post here removed.

This is the rule I will be acting in accordance with now. Please note that this is in no way a condemnation or endorsement of your contribution, and it's not a punishment, it's simply meant to keep the space functioning as it's meant to. And again, remember that you're free to post elsewhere if you like on this topic. The "other discussions" tab can make it easy to find discussions on the same topic in different subs so I'd encourage you to use that (I think posting a link to this post will do it) if you want to make it easy for interested people to find your discussion on this topic too. You should still be able to view the content of your comment on your userpage if you would like to post the text elsewhere.

https://saidit.net/s/Gender_Critical/comments/5ap2/the_kreung_tribe_of_cambodia_has_a_tradition_of/kg45 (http://archive.vn/DRiqr)

Here is another one of my comments: https://saidit.net/s/Introductions/comments/5c3l/reddit_still_hates_women/kfv6 (http://archive.md/Imq0F)

That is precisely the argument I had made about freedom of speech and how sites always slip back into censorship. https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/5b3f/welcome_reddit_ban_wave_refugees/kfhf

It seems this was with the same user as the person who later banned me. Apparently, we have a more fundamental disagreement about freedom of speech. I find this behavior incredibly hypocritical. They complain censorship in one place, just to enforce it in the next place. It is not that they despise censorship, it is just that they are upset that it is not their flavor of censorship, not against those people they dislike, and not them in charge. These are precisely the types of people who will vie for places of authority on this site. We always ask in amazement "How could this happen? How did it get so bad on site X?" This way. We do not care, so those who do care, who do vie for authority are the ones who end up calling the shots.

What now? What should be done in response to this? I say, let's prove the strength of our ideals. Censorship should be met with more freedom. Censorship should not be met with more censorship. I say, the best thing to do is use our freedom of speech. Dear moderator of Gender Critical, you might have packaged your rationale with pretense of politeness, but it is abundantly clear to me why: at this stage, your power on this platform is still weak. As censorship increases, the gloves will come off, and you will be just as vindictive as anyone else practicing identity politics. Your character, in the claims of women's oppression and victimhood you make, are abundantly clear. You are an identitarian and an authoritarian in waiting. You got a taste of your own medicine and you did not like it. But, instead, you did not learn your lesson, you are seeking to replicate what you left behind in another place.

I am sorry, but this will put us on a path of conflict. I condemn this hypocrisy and if this is site is not supposed to end, in a few years, the same way as Reddit now, we must root out censorship in its inception, expose it, and condemn it. Consider this my reading of the riot act to you, /s/GenderCritical. It is either me or you. There will not be both on this site. If it is you, I will gladly pack my bags, go elsewhere, encourage as many as possible to follow me, and ridicule you for the hypocrites you are in any place that still values freedom of speech. We are on the war path.

Anyone who would like to link to this post can find an archived version under, in case this post will be deleted for some form of damage control: http://archive.md/68LBi (https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/5cb2/gendercritical_does_not_belong_on_saidit_the/kg8k)

I encourage you to spread this.

PS: There are two subs, one with and one without underscore. Gender_Critical vs. GenderCritical. Please pay attention to it.

[–]joeytundra 38 insightful - 2 fun38 insightful - 1 fun39 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

After reading some of your other comments how you think women are some of the most coddled people on the planet..I can see why you were banned. Clearly women aren't coddled and protected if all men have to do is declare they identify as women and demand women allow any man into spaces and change her language so she's not allowed to talk about her own biology. It's us men that are the most protected. You are acting very entitled. Saidit like Reddit have their own subs. If you come in acting like women have it made when they don't and are under attack, you've been in too many MRA circles online and watching too much porn. We need to wake up to what's really going on here. Why are there many different circles online filled with contempt towards women and to the point where random women have been murdered by 8chan and 4 chan members after getting their dose of validation for hating women and porn ads all over the place? We're being lied to by a bunch of groomers. Why is a gay male involved with MGTOW? GROOMERS AND THEY ARE GROOMING US to turn us effeminate. Women aren't doing this to us...men are and you don't know what their orientation really is online. Some of the speeches coming from MRA circles sound an awful lot like how gay men perceive women as a threat. "Pussy pass" for example...that's what gay men think women have but if you open your eyes women don't really have that. There is a penis pass. Think of how much we can get away with. They even make up lies about statistics.

They want us addicted to violent porn, effeminate porn, addicted to anal...women don't benefit from that. Calling men white knights for even defending a woman as a shaming tool? Straight men don't come up with that. Bitter males that view women as their competition do.

You can hate women all you want but I'd much rather defend a woman's honor than go sniff a dude bro's ass online for thumbs up and validation. That is a trap.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You can call me hateful all you want. Then you did not understand the points I was making or looked into the claims I was making. Women are the most protected class, out of biological reasons. Women are also the moral arbiters in our society, which is a huge part of why we had such a rush towards the left, why women can start movements like MeToo and MRA can hardly get legislative change passed. Gay men also do not have the social impact you claim. Our automatic in-group preference is for women, not gay men. Women, the sisterhood as I called it, decide what is program, who has moral ascendency in the end, even when it comes to black people or migrants. They are the biggest voting block and have most social cohesion. Any discrimination you can find or allege in society, against minorities such as black people, is stronger against men than that minority.

I will probably comment on this topic many more times, so follow my account. But to play the same tired games of alleging hate, that I will probably have very little patience for. I do not like identity politics and if you want to debate me, debate the arguments I present, not me as a person. I will not be silenced for the gender people think I have (although, I still do not think I have even disclosed that conclusively) and I will not engage discussions about my mental state. You are not my therapist. If Hitler had said 2+2 is 4, it would still be four, no matter how hateful he was, so buzz off with your nonsense. If this is a site where this type of argumentation flies, I might as well go back to Twitter or Reddit.

You can have this idiocy on every mainstream social media platform. If all you are coming here for is to transform this place into the same sort of hug boxes, with the same intellectually weak identity based ways of argumentation, then all you are here for is entryism, not freedom of speech.

Starr, Sonja B. “Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases.” American Law and Economics Review 17, no. 1 (2014): 127–159.

Hugenberg, Kurt, and Sabine Sczesny. “On Wonderful Women and Seeing Smiles: Social Categorization Moderates the Happy Face Response Latency Advantage.” Social Cognition 24, no. 5 (2006): 516–539.

Rudman, Laurie A., and Stephanie A. Goodwin. “Gender Differences in Automatic In-Group Bias: Why Do Women like Women More than Men like Men?” Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 87, no. 4 (2004): 494.

https://archive.org/details/fraudoffeminism00baxerich

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect

I will not repeat all of the points I made, though. You can look at how the sisterhood ostracizes women who go against the narrative, such as Erin Pizzey, Cassey Jaye, etc. but it is still women, in the end, who will call the shots, which is why the transgender trend will be quite short-lived, as soon as women are hurt, such as in sports and why the media's narrative is about trans-women, not trans-men. This is about women, not transgender people, primarily, or we would not hear this little about women transitioning to men. Read my post. It's linked and I will probably keep talking about this until I am censored on this site as well.

[–]joeytundra 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

you do realize men calling themselves women have been invading women's sports for a long time with women getting hurt and nothing is done about it? Who has you believing women have all this power? Meet Fallon Fox...didn't even disclose from the get go was biologically male. Women were forced to fight this person and cracked a woman's skull open. Nothing was done about it except he got put into the Gay hall of fame even though he's a straight male that identifies as a lesbian. He went hard after this woman because she's a lesbian that doesn't want to have sex with a biological male. There is no pussy pass bro. Tons of shit flies in favor of our wants even if it hurts women and children.

https://www.attacktheback.com/transgender-mma-fighter-fallon-fox-breaks-opponents-skull/

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Why are you responding with this bullshit? This is about freedom of speech.

There is no pussy pass bro.

That is complete bullshit. But regardless whether there is or not, we cannot discuss this in the sub because I can no longer post there. I had also brought up Fallon Fox already myself, which you could have seen if my post wasn't removed -- or if it's still up you did not care to read it. I am not going to rehash all the points I have already spent paragraph after paragraph typing just because of your childish bullshit.

What is the rationale here exactly? That Fallon Fox comes through the screen to kick you in the head if he disagrees with you? If people cannot have valuable input on a topic due to their gender then that implies that they must have a certain opinion due to their gender. If you want to limit your sub because of someone's assumed gender then you want to limit your sub because people might disagree with you. Then why not just set the party line on the sub rules to the points of discussion that people have to fall in line with?

I could set up another account, use a VPN, Tor or something and you would never know my gender. Or, you would have to also ban women who you think are men, based on their comments, so it comes down to party line again. You do not actually know from the words on the screen who is male or female.

What you are doing is not creating a space for women, even if that was sensible online, you are creating, once more, a sub with a given party line. Otherwise, what you are saying is that women have a certain set of opinion, or they are not women.

Go fuck yourself.

[–]joeytundra 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Such a child you are. Grow up bro. Be a real man not a woman hating soy boy!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's precisely part of it: a man, according to simps, must be someone who serves women. Without it, they are not a man. You also have to misrepresent my position by saying that I hate women, which is not true. I (apparently) hate radfems, but that is because of the positions they hold, not because of who they are, as women, due to their gender. They, however, seem to be among the people who think that people hold certain opinions because of them being men or women. I would say that's sexist.

Also, if you are part of that sub, are you a woman? Why do you keep saying "bro"? Are you a guy who needs to be kicked from the sub?

Hey, is there a process for you people at Gender*Critical to determine sex, for the purpose of your community rules? Let's put them to the test. I want to see them working.

I actually do not think that I have stated my gender to any of you. It seems like an assumption, perhaps, was made, but I would really like to know if u/joeytundra is a valid member of your community or not. Mods? s/Gender_Critical, any thoughts? Come on. I want to see your logic in action. I want to see you make a call on this.

Please walk us through this process, in transparent a fashion as possible.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

s/Gender_Critical, any thoughts?

just fyi if you want to tag someone you can use their username, e.g. /u/ccccccc. Then they will get a notification of the message they were tagged in (unless they turned that off). I didn't see this message until now.