GenderCritical does not belong on Saidit. The moderators are determined to not follow site rules.

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[–]magnora7 51 insightful - 6 fun51 insightful - 5 fun52 insightful - 6 fun -  (27 children)

Those are the official saidit rules verbatim... They've taken themselves off of /all as required.

Please read the rules: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

And carefully read the mod rules: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/w6s/saidit_rules_for_moderators/

And you will see they're doing it correctly. Thanks

[–]I-0x0-I 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

/gendercritical definitely still shows up on /all for me. just saying. they've never left /all as far as i can tell.

[–]magnora7 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

No they're off of /all. They will show up on /all/new though, which shows absolutely everything

[–]SeasonedReason 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (23 children)

This is confusing, something that is not allowed on /all could appear on /all/new? That doesn't seem logical. In computer technology, if something isn't visible in a hierarchy at /position, it definitely isn't visible at /position/sub-position.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (21 children)

It's a redditism, that's how they do it, we inherited the behavior. That's why the wording on reddit is so obtuse "Show up in high-traffic feeds: Allow your community to be in r/all, r/popular, and trending lists where it can be seen by the general Reddit population."

[–]teelo 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (20 children)

You should change it. If they want to block open discussion then they shouldn't appear anywhere outside of their little bubble.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (19 children)

We might do that, everyone is on the fence. The plan for now is to hype the 'mute sub' feature more on /s/all. Were someone to make a post about this asking for a Yes or No vote, and were it to get a clear Yes consensus, maybe that'd inspire the change.

[–]teelo 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (10 children)

Were someone to make a post about this asking for a Yes or No vote, and were it to get a clear Yes consensus, maybe that'd inspire the change.

On it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

hhaaa shit

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

that's not a fair poll...

[–]magnora7 8 insightful - 8 fun8 insightful - 7 fun9 insightful - 8 fun -  (6 children)

Lol that poll is like when Stephen Colbert used to go around asking people: "Is George Bush a great president, or the greatest president?"

[–]teelo 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ritZxM_uejA

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think it'd be an improvement overall, but realistically you're the one would would have to code it because I don't know how, so it's really totally 100% up to you. Whether you decide to do it or not, I'm 100% on board with whichever you choose.

[–]theoracle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

This problem will just keep coming up, optional moderation is the solution. I think try that basic implementation and then see how it goes you can probably let what ever subs appear in /all with it. The pyramid of debate is not going to work without heavy moderation and heavy moderation will turn off a lot of people. The collapsed mode will probably work for most. I am not sure you guys could keep up with the number of reports though. Already the "no moderation" Ruqqus has adopted a growing core group of admins/moderators that can ban and remove things site wide, they are doing things like quarantining subs and shadow bans.... You need to head off ending up on the same path to reddit as soon as possible and I think a technical solution is the best. Look how well no down vote has worked. Tech is best.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Tech is best.

Amen. As much as we hate "the algorithm" on YouTube, a technical solution is typically best.

Your example of the downvote illustrates it, which even I was kind of surprised saidit would do: It's not that you need to hide away stupid comments, they simply get no traction. There is no need for censorship. People simply ignore them or provide counter arguments.

[–]theoracle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks but I am going to disagree and say there is a place for censorship but it MUST be optional. There is certain types of speech that are really only disruptive like, spam, trolling, and some low effort posts. Users though should be the ones with ultimate control on what is censored and ONLY for them. No one should be made dictator over what you may or may not see and read except YOU! The choice on how you experience a platform should be yours.

https://ruqqus.com/post/tiz/optional-moderation

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The pyramid of debate is not going to work without heavy moderation and heavy moderation will turn off a lot of people.

Looks like you might be right about it turning people off.

You might try pitching your idea at reddit too. The guy who just took the chair position there was also iirc CEO of Y Combinator the tech startup thingy. Maybe they'd be into trying something like this if there's changeups already going on there and a guy has just come on board who has experience with innovative tech stuff.

[–]theoracle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I hate reddit and want to see it burnt to the ground. I am quite certain if they tried my idea they would most certainly cuck it. The only person with a major platform I would hold any hope to implement it is Jack Dorsey and that's because he has expressed a desire for something like it.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I kind of agree, but here's the previous discussion about that site feature: https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/574y/i_think_the_front_page_algorithm_should_show_more/jprv

[–]I-0x0-I 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

ooooh. well that explains it. i pretty much stay in all/new & /new/. didn't realize /all/new showed everything. i assumed that removal from /all/ was total. my bad, i'm an ass.