how much has saidit grown in these few days?

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[–]theFriendlyDoomer 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

I did a little investigating yesterday. One of the top posts on the main Voat page yesterday was someone claiming 99% of all porn is posted by the Jews. I clicked to see if anyone was going to challenge such obviously made-up bullshit. No source. No evidence.

Nope. Everyone was happy to agree with how bad those damn degenerates were.

Further investigation (not on the page after that) showed the echo chamber effects on the site are really bad. Like downvotes get you put in time-outs and such. Just a bubble reality where people believe whatever they want to believe.

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I have no reason to either believe or disbelieve. But since you do, can you provide me with the part you are sure of?

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

But since you do, can you provide me with the part you are sure of?

I take it you are to talking about me doubting the claim that 99% of porn is posted by Jews. If you are asking something else, let me know.

First of all, when people are concerned about the truth, they are open about their method of coming up with their facts. This means linking to an article or study, sharing how you came up with your data, something like that. When people are allowed to just karma farm by saying things they know their audience wants to hear, they'll abandon the hard work of being transparent. They'll even just make stuff up. On Voat, since no one doubted the claim, it's clear that we're not dealing with an environment where people feel comfortable asking someone to back it up. It's clear what the audience wants to believe. So, yeah, the burden of proof is on a person making a claim.

But showing this is false is a simple matter of either math or common sense. Are you going to pretend you've never heard of a white person with a pornography problem, past or present? I've seen Christian help groups for the problem -- look, here's some White Mormons talking about it, and here's another white guy. . .. Jews are less than 1% of the world's population. So even though it is known white people look at porn, even some Christian White people, and even though there are other races with larger populations than Jews, Black, Latino, Asian, you still think Jews are 99 times more likely than anyone else to post porn?

Edit: I had the wrong quote above.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes. Most porn is made by Jews. Prove me wrong.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

1) The topic was on 99% 2) Why don't you prove things?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

1) 95% of the stats on the Internet are made up on the fly 2) Because I've done my homework, I know this, and I feel ZERO desire to convince you.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I know this, and I feel ZERO desire to convince you

Why the fuck would I care about convincing you, either? If you're too lazy to share any of this "homework" you've done, then consider me unconvinced. Here's the other cool thing: neither of can do anything about it, so it in no way matters.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've done the homework once, years ago. I will not do it again for you, and then again in 6 months for somebody else, and so on. Whoever has enough interest in the question will likely do the same and report the results, agreeing with me. Since you don't care about the question, why are you posting about it? You know?

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I will not do it again for you, and then again in 6 months for somebody else, and so on. Whoever has enough interest in the question will likely do the same and report the results, agreeing with me.

I can at least relate to that. But also that's what's downright silly about your "prove me wrong." I, too, don't want to re-hash stuff forever.

Since you don't care about the question, why are you posting about it? You know?

Read the thread again. The context was what I didn't like about a site. Later on, when someone else asked me to expand, I wrote that the main problem is making a claim without links or explaining methodology. The person who makes a claim has the burden of proof. If you check my history here or Reddit you'll see that I am rarely a person making a post that is a claim. But when I do, I show my homework. When I don't want to have the discussion, I don't start it. For example, here's me writing against Eugenics.. It has links, it has footnotes, a large quote from a book.

If I'm wrong, at least people can check up on how I came to my conclusions. They don't just have to take my word for it. (And they certainly shouldn't just take my word for it in a Karma-farming environment).

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We are mostly in agreement. However, if you do your homework in 1998 and later in 2002 somebody asks you for the links, then again in 2008, then again in 2012 and again in 2020, then you will be posting "claims" that stem from serious research.