how much has saidit grown in these few days?

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[–]magnora7 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (35 children)

Yup, for every new 100 visitors, about 10 make an account, and around 1 will post a comment or post. That ratio seems to hold from what I see

[–]Bitchcraft 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (33 children)

This sounds so weird to me. I would have expected a smaller, more niche community to have a higher proportion of people who create content.

Any idea what causes this ratio to be so consistent?

[–]magnora7 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (31 children)

No, I don't know why it's so consistent. It does vary though, sometimes with more niche sites like saidit it's sometimes 150 lurkers = 10 accounts = 1 post

More people lurk than post when it's niche. But I don't know why it's basically so relatively consistent. I guess it's just a feature of human psychology on a mass-statistical level.

[–]Bitchcraft 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

Well tanks for working on saidit. I really hope that this place will not go the way of voat. Among the "alternative reddits" I've seen so far, this is the most promising.

[–]Wahwah 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

What is so wrong about Voat? Genuinely curious.

[–]Bitchcraft 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

I started out ok, but it got completly hijacked by absolute bottomfeeders. Voat allows downvoteing, so anybody who dares to say that "cucked nigger faggot" is not a valuable contribution gets hounded off the site. The admins never made any attempt to promote high effort content. Voat uses a bizarre .NET based software stack that makes the hosting cost absolutely ridiculous. My theory is that voat made itself dependent on rightoid/incel donations to keep going.

Essentially they never managed to have any OC and became a wasteland of very predictable incel/rightoid circlejerking. The pyramid of debate on saidit at the very least shows a commitment to encouraging high-quality content. Based on what I've seen so far, it is believable that saidit manages to establish a steady stream of content beyond the endless bitching about reddit, so I'm optimistic.

[–]magnora7 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

On top of all this, voat also made a voting system where if you're a new account, you can't downvote others until you get 100 upvotes. And you can only give so many upvotes per hour before you get 100 upvotes. And only post and comments so many times per hour. And if you get downvoted at all, that gets even more limited.

So basically if you go against the hivemind, the established culture on voat downvotes you in to silence, and then you can't even downvote them back. So this karma-limited account system made the echo-chamber culture feedback loop go exponential. So when the extremists actually got a hold of the site culture, there was no coming back from it

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Woah, that's actually pretty interesting, and stupid on their part.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah they thought it would protect the site. I think they called it the "founders' effect" and man did it backfire.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Voat uses a bizarre .NET based software stack

That is the most absurd and offensive part of Voat imo. Nothing on that website bothers me as much as their use of .NET

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

they may actually be incels but they pretend at least to hate them, and larp about having beautiful white women.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Voat uses a bizarre .NET based software stack

Ew.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

I did a little investigating yesterday. One of the top posts on the main Voat page yesterday was someone claiming 99% of all porn is posted by the Jews. I clicked to see if anyone was going to challenge such obviously made-up bullshit. No source. No evidence.

Nope. Everyone was happy to agree with how bad those damn degenerates were.

Further investigation (not on the page after that) showed the echo chamber effects on the site are really bad. Like downvotes get you put in time-outs and such. Just a bubble reality where people believe whatever they want to believe.

[–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I have no reason to either believe or disbelieve. But since you do, can you provide me with the part you are sure of?

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

But since you do, can you provide me with the part you are sure of?

I take it you are to talking about me doubting the claim that 99% of porn is posted by Jews. If you are asking something else, let me know.

First of all, when people are concerned about the truth, they are open about their method of coming up with their facts. This means linking to an article or study, sharing how you came up with your data, something like that. When people are allowed to just karma farm by saying things they know their audience wants to hear, they'll abandon the hard work of being transparent. They'll even just make stuff up. On Voat, since no one doubted the claim, it's clear that we're not dealing with an environment where people feel comfortable asking someone to back it up. It's clear what the audience wants to believe. So, yeah, the burden of proof is on a person making a claim.

But showing this is false is a simple matter of either math or common sense. Are you going to pretend you've never heard of a white person with a pornography problem, past or present? I've seen Christian help groups for the problem -- look, here's some White Mormons talking about it, and here's another white guy. . .. Jews are less than 1% of the world's population. So even though it is known white people look at porn, even some Christian White people, and even though there are other races with larger populations than Jews, Black, Latino, Asian, you still think Jews are 99 times more likely than anyone else to post porn?

Edit: I had the wrong quote above.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes. Most porn is made by Jews. Prove me wrong.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

1) The topic was on 99% 2) Why don't you prove things?

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So the real issue with voat is downvote? Any attempt to promote content other than their preferred narratives get shunned. I never liked the idea of downvote anyway -in the sense it comes with penalties. Such as losing karma or being sidelined. If one wants to disagree than surely the can but that shouldn't come with penalties.

[–]theFriendlyDoomer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it's all tied together. If they didn't have the downvote system they had, it wouldn't have gotten so out of hand. But out of hand it is.

[–]Wahwah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's all tied together. If they didn't have the downvote system they had, it wouldn't have gotten so out of hand. But out of hand it is.

Well, from what folks have been describing I think more moderate content would've probably had a chance.

[–]theoracle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So the real issue with voat is downvote?

The issue is not the downvote but how the system reacts to down votes. Down votes combined with up votes are a really good measure of a post. If a post has nothing but downvotes it is near 100% worthless but if it has lots of up and down votes it could be really good. Have a look at posts on Notabug where anon can vote as many times as they like.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

that's actually true

[–]apoliticalinactivist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Suffered from being the new kid on the block.

Much like the internet, when reddit was new, it had a random sampling of people coming together to chat, which is what led to a great atmosphere. Voat was founded as a free speech bastion in response to the first major ban wave of reddit, meaning it wasn't a random sampling, only the most extreme folks. Obviously this caused the atmosphere of the site to be ...biased.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Saidit has this issue too, but we have the good luck of having voat to draw away most of the super extreme people. This is another example of why having more forum alternatives creates a more healthy social media ecosystem. The long-time monopoly of reddit has created a warped monoculture, and even voat is a reflection of that like you point out

[–]Themagicalmidget 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Voat is a shit show now. It's like a star trek reverse mirror universe reddit. If you poste something even remotely moderate or God forbid liberal you are either banned or downvoted to oblivion.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Literally impossible for discussion, 1 comment per day...it's pretty shit

[–]theoracle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is so wrong about Voat? Genuinely curious.

Go read it! I think many people are just larping, or at least I hope so though.

[–]Chipit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lots of people don't give a crap about posting on sites. There are a bunch of sites I read with comment sections, and I'm just not interested in what they have to say. I rarely look, and definitely don't go to the trouble of creating an account to post.

Some are dumpster fires of posters, some are hugboxes where people go to get their hit of social approval, some are uninteresting, some are full of spam, you name it. There are lots of good reasons why people don't register or post.

[–]theoracle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

definitely don't go to the trouble of creating an account to post.

Sites that allow anon comments have some of the best I find. The hassle of so many sites and making accounts stops most centrists that are already too busy living from posting.

[–]xigoi 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd assume a lot of people are clicking through the list of Reddit alternatives and looking what suits them best.

[–]Themagicalmidget 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So that would mean a 200k person influx? That is pretty good. I'm starting to see much longer comment chains here as well.