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[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"Labeling anyone who disagrees or is critical of you a shill is not an argument."

shill tactic - weaponized conflaction

nowhere have i said or done what you state here, "everyone who disagrees must be a shill" I never said that and you put those words in my mouth, which is some very manipulative garbage.

I do believe there are a ton of paid shills on saidit and every such site, it is a proven fact, and if you are unaware of this, you are basically about as savy to the internet as a toddler and should probably read a lot more and stfu until you have done so.

I checked back in after 3 weeks of posting and not one response to anything I wrote passed my "live human" test, fwiw. Not one. I basically have to instruct every commenter why their response is worthless garbage, and then wonder if everyone in the world is stupid, insane or being paid to act that way.

But at this point I do not spend much time wondering, read my 4 books and say something intelligent about them or get ouf of my face.

[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

By labeling others comments as "shill tactic", you are insinuating that you believe they are a shill. You have used the same verbiage is response to posts to your list of users above.

As we're here on pyramid practice, I'll help you out with the pyramid of debate: https://saidit.net/static/debatepyramid.jpg

What you are doing is ad hominem or name calling.

not one response to anything I wrote passed my "live human" test, fwiw. Not one.

So the users on Saidit are not only shills, but bots as well?

No one is interested in your reasons why you think their response is worthless garbage. If you think their response is so, just don't respond. Or post an actual argument, rather than just saying "shill tactic, shill tactic!".

read my 4 books and say something intelligent about them or get ouf of my face

Really? Grow up.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a shill tactic strongly implies shilling, you seem to think this is somehow illogical thinking

lol

shill tactics, continued, more of same - make all discussion personal, redirected back on the actual human being trying to make a point

that is all you are doing, and it is obvious to anyone with a brain not getting paid to be an asshat.

Also,

shill tactic - conflation, you try to put the words in my mouth that I say all users on saidit are shills when I do not say that, I only point out in case after case after case that obvious shill tactics are being used

and since shill tactics are all mechanical, and shills coordinate their responses with automated softwares, and since the summary effect of their work is to drive away actual humans, and ai does exist to create automated nonsensical responses

yes, a human taking part in that is already one full step into the being a robot themselves, or a drone, working against their own genetics for the interest of some borg-like entity.

Or I can just call you what you are, after investigation and a real attempt to communicate, which is you are a cunty douchebag.

Of course, this is not the same as just calling you a cunty douchebag, this is the summary of numerous points and analysis, which is self-evident to any actual human reader.

[–]danuker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

my "live human" test

You should use the "Friend" tool.

Whenever I suspect an account could be "really" human, and if they post content I am interested in, I go to their account, and click the green "+friend" button under their account name.

Later, I browse using the "Friends" meta-sub. f they post content that I enjoy, I keep them there. Browsing through there is a breath of fresh air.

If they post irrelevant/un-actionable/waste-of-time/garbage/spam content, they get the boot.

So far I have two such "friends". One is you, which I found in spite of the noise on this site. Another is a guy you engaged in conversation with, which I saw on the Friends -> Comments tab.

I want to thank you for your true content freely available on your website. I will donate to you as soon as I get an income again (but don't hold your breath - I live in a second world country and am incredibly lazy, on top of the current economy). I will promote you via word-of-mouth to my friends, though.

P.S. Instead of "shill", I think "actor" is a better term, for the way you use it. - they play a role different from their genuine self - they use scripts - they distract the masses using fantasies of warped ideals - they are paid to act many times, though not always

Shills, at least according to Urban Dictionary, try to sell something. This may be the case when, say, Big Tech tries to hide its surveillance (PR), but not when the covert agent's goal is to sow discord or drown out communities through spam/garbage content.

[–]jmichaelhudsondotnet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

fair enough, I can consider this.

Thank you for the kind words, it goes far on this particular day.

sharing a link to my site and books is just as valuable to me as money, as far as whether or not you are my friend, maybe more so. Still waiting for that second book sale lol. There are many treasures in my meme collections though that I gathered from far and wide....further study will be rewarded.

You are right, shill is generally advertising, sock puppets, agents, are maybe more appropriate. But maybe it is all just shilling too, meaning they are not here to promote their own viewpoint, but someone else's. Or maybe it is their viewpoint also by coincidence, but they are operating to advance an operational agenda.

I guess I wonder if at some point all advertising is just propaganda, everything that is not an individual person deciding what they think should be said right now, whether it be to sell shoes or convince a different country to have a race war, is shilling one and the same. I can see both sides, but the alternative to shill would be to call everyone an agent or sock puppet, so in a way the langauge itself fails to account for what has developed in history, where there are so many people being paid to manage opinion for institutions, actual human beings try to say something are difficult to find.

Maybe look up the "dead internet" meme, if you can find it. Some say that it used to be easy to find people, and certain niches where authentic people were still dominting the conversation, but now it is almost impossible.

+friend

[–]danuker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Still waiting for that second book sale lol

Sorry to hear that :(

I want to give you some advice.

First of all, your websites should feature prominent links to the place to buy books. Perhaps something like: "Want to support my work? Buy a book of mine here." below the Orwell quote, in a visible rectangle (check out "call-to-action buttons"). A little design goes a long way.

The current links in "NEWS FLASH:" are quite low on the page, and look like regular text part of the article.

Also, I'd shorten the profile here to, say, 50 words, so the books are visible without needing to scroll down.

Second, perhaps look into more avenues of advertisement where your target audience might be around:

  • Reddit (perhaps they still want your money in spite of banning you?)
  • 4chan, 8kun (formerly 8chan)
  • physical ads: newspaper/classifieds, flyers - perhaps near train stations (people who use trains like privacy).
  • DuckDuckGo: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/company/advertising-and-affiliates/
  • Anonymous Ads
  • FB, Google (if you want to feed the beasts, and if you get ROI? but I doubt your target audience looks at oligopoly ads).

I'd invest a book's worth of cost (or some other small amount of your choice at first), and see what they bring. Don't keep investing if they bring no visits.

all advertising is just propaganda

Yes it is, but some people might be actively looking to spend money for something, but not sure what. If the advert is well-targeted, and if it's respectful to the user, then the user might like the recommendation.

I usually block all third-party requests on a website for privacy reasons, but if I like the website, I might let ads through to both support the site, and perhaps see something interesting.

Edit: lists require an empty line before them.