Admin Abuse Log

submitted by u432 from (self.SaidIt)

This post is for documenting instances of admin abuse, of any kind.

Eta:

for future reference, since this isn't recorded in the TOS, /u/magnora7 has stated to /u/Jammin, a representative of /s/Ice_Poseidon2,

I will from now on always give a warning to older users before doing any banning.

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[–][deleted] 104 insightful - 2 fun104 insightful - 1 fun105 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I just feel that some aspects of saidit is going of the way of Reddit with now censoring people for saying insults. I do not like to do it, but I pulled my patreon money from this site until further notice. Edit: In light of Admins change of heart, I have returned to contributing to saidit's pateron.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I noticed you do a lot of that feel thing, man up

[–]Optimus85 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

You are now permabanned!

[–]GreenCappy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Is this a joke?

[–]Jammin 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (37 children)

This needs to be implemented, recently i've noticed lots of s/Ice_Poseidon2 users being banned by admins without any kind of reason being given to them or us. The fact that there is mod logs but no admin logs is truly a hypocritical move, Id like to see all the site wide bans made by admins and everything that they remove.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (36 children)

Admin activity is shown in the moderator logs just like moderator activity. People are banned because they either advocated violence or dragged discussion down the pyramid of debate, almost always. Here are the site rules: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

[–]Jammin 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

There was no logs of any removals of any posts by u/Voldesad and he was never given a warning or had any previous bans. He just got perma-banned, can you provide me with the reason for his ban to relay to him. This guy has been an original part of IP2 since 2017 has a 7 month old saidit account and 80k karma. Ive looked though his profile and nothing stands out for me as to a reason why he was banned.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Okay after further review I unbanned him, but in return I please ask that the pyramid of debate be taken a bit more seriously.

We're giving you all a home, so please respect the home a little bit more. I will from now on always give a warning to older users before doing any banning. Thanks

[–]Jammin 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for listening, we appreciate you.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. I appreciate the mod work you all do as well.

[–]Jammin 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Apart from he being subject to targeted reports and threats from anti-IP2 brigaders, people are making up false accusations and then presenting them to you in an attempt to get our most active users banned.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I removed him based on his post history alone. Not on any accusations by any third party.

[–]Jammin 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

How was it that your attention was brought to this account may I ask?

[–]u432[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

possible answer to this question elsewhere in the discussion

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

Really? The first two posts I see are:

How much you wanna bet this whore will make an onlyfans the second she dumps ice piss. I bet she's saving for a pair of fake tits too

and

Think about it. This faggot is afraid to do IRL in Austin because of dope district. How much of a pussy faggot can you possibly be to only do desktop streams because a guy streams you in public? Ice is more pussy than twitch cucks and that's saying something.

So... not exactly doing the quality of this site any favors and is basically constantly dragging discussion in a downward direction. Where do you think posts like that fall on the pyramid of debate? https://saidit.net/static/PyramidDebate.jpg

[–]Jammin 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Are you serious? 90% of the posts on IP2 are in the same vein, how is this worthy of a permanent ban? We keep ourself to ourselfs on IP2 its not like they are coming in to saidit subs and saying that kind of stuff. There is obviously 1 or 2 people who hate IP2 with a passion and will do anything to get rid of us and those fools are messaging you and trying to get people banned for the tiniest things. Also if that was the reason he was banned then why didn't you remove the posts? This is exactly the kind of shit Reddit would pull, no warning, no reason, no chance to appeal banned for expressing his opinion. This is a step too far for me. Look at the account that made this report to you probably a 2 day old account with 0 karma.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (15 children)

He is causing problems that are causing us legal trouble because he's constantly making accusations towards people which causes us to receive DMCA notices on a regular basis.

We have some standards on saidit and I've let a lot of things slide, which you should be thankful for.

We do have standards here, and I am going to enforce those standards. And this user was slinging a lot of shit and causing a lot of problems, and also dragging down discussion on the pyramid of debate. All combined, this is worthy of a ban.

I could communicate this more, but every time I do you get upset like you are now, so it's a lot easier to just remove problem users. I've cut you all a LOT of slack, so how about you do the same for me once in a while?

On the main site users get 3 warnings, but on IP2 they don't because I don't have time to deal with the volume to trolling and complaints that every action I do generates. I'm not going to spend all day arguing about petty drama when I see clear rule violations, and users causing us lots of trouble.

However I will make a policy going forward that if a user is older and has lots of posts on IP2, I will give them a warning and cite a specific post when I remove them after the 2nd violation. I will do that for you from now on, you have my word.

[–]Jammin 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Those DMCA's are fake and abusing the system, this has been their tactics for over a year (making false DMCA claims to reddit, youtube, clip sites like streamable). To see you capitulate to that is not what I expected, once they know you will fall for stuff like that they will send more and more. I want you to give this user a legitimate reason as to why he was banned, which post or posts was it that got him banned? What the DMCA say? How are other users supposed to know what is and isn't ok if you are selectively enforcing those rules. If this user is banned for "pyramid of debate" as you previously claimed then half of IP2 should be banned because those comments are nothing out of the ordinary. How can you possibly justify banning a user without giving them a reason, I know the account that was reporting this user was u/walters a 2 day old account with 0 karma, because he was also sending threats to the IP2 moderation team telling us to ban him "or else" https://i.imgur.com/qpYIJAz.png also the same with burgerbroyo account.

DMCA notices dont cover "accusations towards people" they protect peoples copyrighted works. This is an absolute abuse of the system and you are playing into there hands, honestly if this is how you intend to do things in future I dont think this is going to be a viable place for IP2.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

We've gotten like 30 DMCA notices over the last 6 months, and they're about revealing personal information, and advocating violence against those users. As well as spreading nude images of people who don't want those nude images spread.

Some DMCAs are valid, some aren't. It's a pretty big burden on me to have to sort through which is which. And I do this all for free. For you all.

I'm giving you guys a place rent free. I'm trying to work with you all... but we have rules to enforce. I know that rubs people the wrong way sometimes, but that's the reality of it.

[–]comments 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Isn't IP2 one of the main financial contributors to SaidIt's (minimal) monetary operating costs?

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They contribute about 40%, but they also eat up about 60% of the server load.

[–]neil23uk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

DMCA requests only cover copyrighted images and content, It can't be used for something somebody wrote. I hope you have read up about it.

[–]comments 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How are other users supposed to know what is and isn't ok if you are selectively enforcing those rules.

yes, exactly.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I understand you need to have a certain standard, when it comes to following rules etc, but is it possible that you could give Voldesad one more chance, he has been part of this community for a long time, and it would be really appreciated if he got to come back,if he calmed down his shit posting.

[–]HectorRoae 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Voldesad alt

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Never had an alt, never saw the need for it to hide, i stand for everything i have said or will say

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

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    [–]neil23uk 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    How much you wanna bet this whore will make an onlyfans the second she dumps ice piss. I bet she's saving for a pair of fake tits too

    How is this insult bannable?

    Think about it. This faggot is afraid to do IRL in Austin because of dope district. How much of a pussy faggot can you possibly be to only do desktop streams because a guy streams you in public? Ice is more pussy than twitch cucks and that's saying something.

    That's a question and not a threat?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    MOD ALT confirmed, lool, salty

    [–]Jammin 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Oh look another 2 day old 0 karma alt, better take everything he says as genuine and without ulterior motive. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a u/Walters alt u/d3rr mind checking that out?

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    w/e Karen

    [–]Jammin 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Where can I find the list of bans and reasons made by admins?

    [–]u432[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    some accounts that have posted content which drags discussion down on the pyramid of debate or which advocates violence have not been banned.

    The ToS do not state that advocating violence is not acceptable content, only that repeatedly dragging discussion in a downward direction on the pyramid of debate is not acceptable content.

    [–]reggiN 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I’ve been IP banned by the mods a while ago for no fucking reason. Losing a ton of respect!!!!!! I’ve had to deal with a false IP ban for weeks. People tend to not be able to handle shit forever!

    [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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      [–]reggiN 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      More like I’m forced to switch over to a new wifi network because my main home network is IP banned when I have nothing to hide, you uneducated moron

      [–]Alt-Universe 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      Wanted to suggest an idea for the future. Maybe the next time your team receives a complaint about a IP2 member through DMCA or whatever bring it to the IP2 mods.

      IP2 will think of something from raising funds from within the community so we can hire a lawyer to legally counter DMCA and bring this to court. This would be great publicity for saidit.net and great publicity for IP2. This is a win on both sides if we work together.

      IP2 mods supported the concept of saidit by raising funds for saidit.net so you can enhance your website. You enhanced your site and the ddosing they did against Ip2 didn't work so now they DMCA IP2 and now you have to get your asses covered in that aspect. Think of this all be it not a technical test as before but more of a legal test and learning how the legal system works now so when this site scales up more you'll be prepared. When you are reaching a point where people are trying to get you legally that is a good indication of success.

      Ip2 made your site a viable competitor towards reddit.com. You have built it and we have come (all be it unexpected). Mistakes will be made and we learn from them; That happens in life in general but even more so when you walk the line. We can't just talk about freedom of speech we have to fight for it as well. I believe Ip2 is willing to do that for your site if you let us.

      If at some point you don't think you can handle the IP2 community there is no shame in admitting you are not willing to deal with us. This community can be looked at as a opportunity but also a curse as well it really depends on your perspective and what you want out of it. Just give Ip2 the time needed to move out if it comes to that.

      I wanted to include a post I posted for a person by the name of Caroline Burt (ice poseidon's ex-girlfriend) on this site. I think this will explain my perspective of IP2 and why I think this community is important.

      https://saidit.net/s/Ice_Poseidon2/comments/44db/still_a_liar_yes_hi_its_caroline/f4um?context=3

      "Caroline I can appreciate your perspective. I bet you were lectured a lot by your mom and dad to get the 401k from what I read above.

      I get you probably despise IP2 because it's a level of degeneracy you came to hate after Ice. However Ip2 to me is exposing the world to a very raw form of reality. A type of reality that has never been seen on mainstream from drugs addicts in back alley ways to watching a dudes leg rot off his body, to Burger Planet (enough said). Ip2 is not twitch, it's a very real and raw form of reality that society pretends does not exist.

      you or anybody else does not have to like our form of contont but maybe consider appreciating what it is and isn't. I see Ip2 members as being a small microcosm of the world. I see the streamers on Ip2 exposing us to the deep ugly under belly of reality from the homeless, to their vices. This community is the most woke and realist community to ever come onto the internet. If Ip2 dies this form of contont this form of raw reality, of showing people how the world really operates may never come to be again.

      Sure you can have your 401k's, your fancy houses, and buy into that fantasy land but Ip2 is more like the corona virus with homeless, drugs, drunks etc... Ip2 see's reality for what it is and goes from there. Ip2 members are the most realist people I've ever had the pleasure of getting to know."

      [–]u432[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      We can't just talk about freedom of speech we have to fight for it as well.

      SaidIt is not a free speech platform.

      [–]Alt-Universe 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      thank you

      [–]u432[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Failure to address violence advocacy despite addressing other issues and banning other users for violence advocacy

      [–]u432[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      several instances of admin abuse in the case of /u/Voldesad's ban and ban appeal:

      • failure to mention some motivations for IP2 bans (DMCA takedown notices were mentioned later only after prodding and followup from the complaining user, not mentioned at first mention of the problem as they should have been if the admins were being honest about their reasoning.) (comment)

      • misrepresentation of the reason the user was banned, considering how much similar content is allowed from other users on IP2 (comment)

      • suppression of user complaints: "I've let a lot of things slide, which you should be thankful for." "I've cut you all a LOT of slack, so how about you do the same for me once in a while?" (comment)

      • using reasons not stated in ToS to ban people: "this user was slinging a lot of shit and causing a lot of problems, and also dragging down discussion on the pyramid of debate. All combined, this is worthy of a ban." (comment)

      • abuse of power for personal convenience: "I could communicate this more, but every time I do you get upset like you are now, so it's a lot easier to just remove problem users." (comment)

      • trying to suppress user complaining about legitimate problems, banning for things not in the ToS: "I'm not going to spend all day arguing about petty drama when I see clear rule violations, and users causing us lots of trouble." ("causing us lots of trouble") (comment)

      • special treatment for specific subs: "On the main site users get 3 warnings, but on IP2 they don't" (IP2) (comment)

      • suppression of personally troublesome opinions by falsely implying obligation to self-police troublesome opinions: "Some DMCAs are valid, some aren't. It's a pretty big burden on me to have to sort through which is which. And I do this all for free. For you all." (comment)

      [–]u432[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      failure to address pyramid-lowering content despite addressing other issues

      [–]u432[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      pyramid-lowering content from admin in response to content report

      [–]u432[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      failure to address pyramid-lowering content and admin abuse. here the admin abandons the report leaving the original issues (pyramid-lowering content and admin abuse in that it was an admin who made the pyramid-lowering content) uncorrected.

      [–]u432[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      attempting to use admin status to get users to alter their speech to be more personally pleasant

      [–]u432[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      failure to adequately address information request regarding how a complaint was handled. Reasoning behind admin decisions was not explained nor was it explained which part of the ToS was used to determine the decision.