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[–]JasonCarswell 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (10 children)
I love the dark theme. Not enough folks include this.
I like the emoticon votes. Can you add more. The QxR torrenting group forum features several emoticons with more different values, though without the voting hierarchy. My experience with forums is very limited. I think it might be appropriate here to add a few other icons or searchable tags that might include "trivia" (for notable facts or knowls or info worth keeping that may not be "insights"), "NWO" (open geopolitics, ecconomics, war, police, full spectrum dominance, etc), "spycraft" (secrets, deepstate, covert ops, nefarious methods, etc), "MKUlture" (media analysis, propaganda, brainwashing, psy-ops, drugs, cultural engineering, context), "Alt-History" (truther perspectives, historical revisionism, alternative narratives, etc), "Alt-Solutions" (antiestablishment resistance, resources, solutions, media recommendations, etc.) or whatever. I like that there's no vote war. I think it might be good not to be negative and downvote, but I also think a skeptical emoji or something of a questioning nature should be expressible. Maybe put it to a vote.
"SaidIt is completely 100% open source." I love this. I recently overhauled Wikipedia's "open source (disambiguation)" page. For clarification, is it also Libre (FLOSS)? I think that's worth mentioning if it is. Supporting its distinction is very important. See also: Gnu.
I'd love to know if SaidIt is interested in decentralizing itself. Not only to distribute and ease band width (should that ever become a problem), but also to avoid hard and soft censorship, not to mention adding a layer of permanence should they ever try to shut down the site. For example, SaidIt could blockchain, bittorrent, and/or webtorrent it's content (text and maybe images) to share archives and/or hosting (without sharing administration controls). Further, SaidIt could be mirrored on ZeroNet or my favourite idea: IPFS. IPFS is being inter-developed with Filecoin, libp2p, IPLD, and Multiformats by Protocol Labs. Steemit has closed proprietary sketchy schemes. IPFS has Filecoin as a practical necessity for maintenance, gear, etc. as well as monetary incentive for content contributors and curators, as well as currency for other applications and markets. The currency incentive corrupts many folks motives (ie. they post crap hoping to earn or rig schemes) but without ads or selling info overhead must be maintained. I haven't heard of any flaws or red flags yet regarding the conceptual theory for IPFS but I'm certainly watching. I'm hoping IPFS or something like it will be the alternative solution we've all be hoping to embrace and evolve past limitations of the Internet.
I am not a coder, so the theoretical stuff above may not be as easy as it sounds, and may have flaws or cons I'm unaware of.
I have a many other topics I'm passionate about beyond Decentralized Web(s), like trutherism and filmmaking. Further, I hope to bring my 2 projects to SaidIt, if everything works out. I would also be co-developing them with other websites (ie. wiki, images, audio/video, funding/marketing, and publishing). I don't know if these type of crowd source projects would fly at Reddit because I never got into Reddit or Voat to try. It's only because of the Tin Foil Hat show that I know about you. I can only hope for success and do my best but whether my projects actually succeed as intended is beyond me, as are the pros and cons of attracting crowds. If anyone is interested I can briefly outline these semi-related truther projects and/or point you to where I'm currently partially developing them. I won't waste any more of your time unless you ask, so if you're intrigued, please ask me about them.
I also have my Wikipedia projects, even though Wikipedia sucks ass, it has a mass audience and great resources.
What I can't do on Wikipedia I do on InfoGalactic. For example, I wrote these articles:
These articles were/are severely censored on Wikipedia:
I didn't know if I could believe the Pedogate stuff and wanted to find a list of elites and their deeds but found none anywhere online, so I started my own list which turned into this article and two lists:
Those three article/lists are necessary and important but unpleasant so I rarely update them. Typically I avoid such matters.
Delving in to research, verify, add citations, etc takes time and energy. I have several other articles that I'd like to share with you all but they are terribly unfinished messes or simple stubs as yet. I collect information as I go and intend to eventually add to and update these articles and so many more - but I only have so much time. Feel free to contribute to them yourselves and/or throw information or constructive criticisms my way.
What's the diff between "posts" and "comments"?
What's the diff between "conspiracy" and "conspiracyundone"? Seriously. I don't see a diff.
Any chance this might be where the Tin Foil Hat podcast researchers hang out? (There's no TFH threads.)
Sorry this got so long. I don't know if this forum features folding/collapsing or not. These are just brainstorming ideas, I hope you like and/or don't mind. I don't even know if this is appropriate or rude for voting forums. I'm just very excited and happy to have found you. I don't even know if I'll be posting much. I tend to do things in spurts with big gaps between while I'm onto the next thing.
Two weeks seems like a long time. Good thing I'm patient. Peace out. ~ Jason
[–]magnora7[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (8 children)
Wow quite a lot of feedback, thanks.
We are definitely going to pursue decentralizing our servers, and IPFS may play a role in that. However IPFS only allows static files, so we were thinking a static html frame in IPFS that then inside it loads information passed around in a blockchain-like or torrentl-like manner, similar to how bitchute.com uses webRTS to transmit the video data. We are thinking of trying to adapt that system to carry all our dynamic data that can't be updated on IPFS (like the postgreSQL database that is continuously changing). This is definitely something we're looking in to.
Posts are the main posts. Comments are in reply to the posts or in reply to each other.
Conspiracy and conspiracyundone are just two different subs made by different people.
If you want to make a TFH sub, go for it! Your account has to be aged 2 weeks in order to create one though, as you noted.
If you haven't, I recommend you check this out, as it may answer any additional questions you have: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/37r/welcome_to_saiditnet/
Thanks again for all the thoughts.
[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (7 children)
Thanks for responding. I hope I don't sound too critical and maybe some of my novice ignorance in the feedback is helpful.
I don't know enough to speak with certainty or "authority" but from what I understand there are many developments attacking this mutable vs immutable issue in IPFS, including the way GIT is a permanent record with updating and forking qualities (excuse my lack of better words). I hope you can free and open develop it with others. FYI the "WebTorrent Desktop" and "Vuze" are the only (that I know of) apps that both Bittorrent and Webtorrent. I wish qBittorrent did too. They're working on it but I don't know if they're considering the libp2p project that Protocol Labs is working on in conjunction with IPFS and Filecoin. Also, FYI the the GitHub forum has one thumbs up icon plus an additional optional icon with various emojis.
So it's SaidIt > Subs > Posts > Comments.
I guess the chaos is part of the charm, ie. Conspiracy and conspiracyundone. And there could be more Subs like Conspiracies (not actually different but plural), Conspirophilia, Conspirituality, Conspiritards, etc. Or is there curation and/or metatags, etc to help organize? I like chaos and organization, but to search and find something specific quickly usually means it shouldn't have 42 potential hiding places. If I understand this correctly, Idon't think I'm being critical of SaidIt so much as a weakness of the Reddit-style forum. Unless I'm wrong or too hasty to have an opinion about this popular format that I have never embraced before. (It took me a while to "get" into the backend culture of Wikipedia, which is as rigged and anal as possible.)
I can wait the two weeks. I expect I'll make Subs on occasion for various interests and will as my familiarity and enthusiasm grow, but in particular I have 3 Subs I intend to make, and I'd appreciate feedback. I'd like to free and open source develop 2 creative projects in 2 Subs and another Sub for the online worker coop and management of those projects. The 2 creative truther edutrainment projects would be co-hosted on InfoGalactic where the project would take form (ie. scripts, storyboards, etc) but discussed here, and the management sub would be about everything but the creative stuff - fundraising, accounting, promotion, distribution, etc. I expect there will be near zero participation and I'll be mostly talking to myself until some of the first episodes are finished and released, but thereafter at least the ground rules will be laid out and production shouldn't have to slow to adapt. I don't know why SaidIt might object, but I'm open to hear why. I use InfoGalactic because they have a deep encyclopedia (Wikipedia mirror) with a decent connection, willingness, and no censorship. I'd rather be on a neutral, truther, anarchist, or progressive wiki than alt-right, but they exist, let me do truther and progressive articles, and are open to utilize the wiki for other projects, beyond just the encyclopedia. Perhaps my projects could be entirely developed on SaidIt alone, but I think the combo embraces the best of both. Of course I'll also eventually likely use YouTube, Vimeo, DTube, and BitChute. Anyway, I'll try to finish my outlines to post on InfoGalactic, then share here in a couple weeks.
Unrelated, I came up with an idea that may help SaidIt. If someone else has done this then great minds, if not then it might be a good app to develop and share. I've heard of sites that embed crypto-mining in their pages. I have mixed feelings about this, however if it's all in the open I'm all for it, especially if you/they were to develop something like this: On every page (not buried in preferences) with the top banner, user info, preferences, messaging, etc at the top in the open, a little icons with a mining icon that expands when you click on it to provide your options with an explanation. It might say "To support SaidIt please enable the cryptomining option. To encourage your support SaidIt what is mined up to 50/50 (or whatever number) but you may choose to donate more to SaidIt (with a slider to change it to 0/0 (off) 50/50, 60/40, 70/30,... or 100/0 (all to SaidIt)). You have earned XX for SaidIt and XX for yourself which you may transfer out beyond XX." Any more complicated than that and it starts to seem like a scheme. (ie. Steemit is not open nor decentralized and is too complex not to be rigged.)
I read the welcome. One thing I don't see or haven't found is how to check for recent activity rather than reviewing an entire thread I've already read and trying to discover the hidden/nested new comment(s).
[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (6 children)
We are basically planning to use IPFS to load a static page that in turn loads dynamic content from a blockchain or something.
Or is there curation and/or metatags, etc to help organize? I
Or is there curation and/or metatags, etc to help organize? I
There is a search function. It's just part of how reddit-style forums work. We were talking about building in a crossposting mechanism that would allow a post with comments to be posted under multiple subs.
Your project sounds interesting, you're more than welcome to share it with the community.
Yeah we plan to have our own in-tab cryptocurrency mining later on. We're still working out the details of that.
If you want to see the newest comments you can go to www.saidit.net/comments
and the newest threads are under the "new" tab on the main page, also available at www.saidit.net/new
I'll add that to the welcome info.
[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (5 children)
Thanks for all the good info.
While I'm little motivated by crypto stuff, I am enthusiastic about its promise on many levels. I don't think it should be underestimated how much of an incentive it could potentially be if you were to share the in-tab mining with the community, should they choose to recoup it. It may be a draw. It may also be a drawback if people are only here to "earn". Steemit for example is full of shitty posts. Then again, maybe that's more common on forums than I'm aware of.
I'm going to check out new and comments now...
[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (4 children)
You could be right, and there will probably be some downsides. But it's the best method I see for ensuring eternal funding for a decentralized saidit. Imagine it running in the cloud 100 years from now... still being paid for by in-tab mining and served by people leaving server tabs open. Then it would be almost truly autonomous
[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (3 children)
I agree. However you haven't acknowledged my idea about sharing the mining with the users. Maybe you only want to offer 10% and make them jump through hoops to actually redeem it, but as long as the process is open an honest then I can't see why it won't be embraced. Further you might post a fundraising goal, where all of it (or better 90%) goes to SaidIt and after that goal is reached then you pull back to 50% or 60%.
Also, I think it should be fully disclosed on every page with a toggle button and default setting. (ie. Default on can be turned off for each user and/or a temporary toggle button on a per-page basis in case your computer chokes or whatever.) It would be less cool to bury it under menus.
Also also, as an incentive for users you can publish their stats openly, maybe like Steemit accessible to all, and further put their total beside their name and/or whether they are contributing (on) or not. Whether folks choose to shame the non-contributors and make fun of their hair or genitals or mom or whatev is a whole other angle. Or we could adapt methods of persuasion from the CIA.
[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (2 children)
Oh, we'd probably offer the users doing the mining 70% or so, then 30% or so goes to the site. Something like that. Maybe even just 10% goes to the site. We'll have to play around with it, but that's the range we're thinking.
It wouldn't be a background thing, I wouldn't want it to be a surprise to anyone. It would be more like a link that says CLICK HERE TO MINE and then it would open a new tab and the tab would say MINING.... and have stats about it, and you'd leave that tab open to run it. And it would be front and center.
I like the idea of publishing stats for mining, like we could have a leaderboard for the week/month/all time, etc. Good idea.
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago (1 child)
That sounds about perfect. Better than I was thinking.
"Employee of the Month"
[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (0 children)
Great to hear we're thinking along the same lines! "Employee of the month" sounds great haha
Also important is that we'll have it be a tipping system, not a voting system. So unlike steemit, the rank of the thing on the page won't be determined by the cryptocurrency. It will just be an extra bonus similar to giving reddit gold
[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 1 year ago* (0 children)
Any chance someone can point me to info or explain how the subs work? I know by default I'm auto-subbed to all of them. That's fine, but can it keep auto subbing me or why do I need to sub to the others that I'm assuming are new. I'm also wondering if there's a way to see when the last comment is for each thing. I can see how many folks are subbed but I don't know if the conversation ended/stalled months ago.
And what's up with the empty topics? For example, Victoria, BC. I was born there and lived there a couple times. The topic is empty, which is not surprising. There are two mottos for Victoria - It's for the newly wed or nearly dead, and, It's more British than the British. I don't expect there's one for Windsor, ON. but that's where I'm at now.
I almost feel like I'm doing it wrong. How do you folks process all of this content?
Also I see a lot of links with few conversations about them, almost like they're curated for votes. But the links aren't always that great. For example, ConspiracyPhilosophy. I thought I'd throw in a link to definitions for Conspirophile and Conspirituality but there was no conversation to inject it into, and if I'm not mistaken I think I have to wait 2 weeks to post a new thing(?) though I wouldn't as these are barely side notes hardly worth mentioning.