The problem that is /s/ice_poseidon2

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[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

If you had clearly expressed what the problem is, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

This is the last time I will state it.

You need to stop attacking other users. You need to stop anything that even remotely resembles trolling. And you need to stop acting as if you're some sort of admin. Stop giving me and others advice about saidit when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. And if in doubt, don't say anything.

This is what I'm asking of you. Not going to state it again. Act right. You have 2 strikes. We are not revisiting this discussion again, I've said what needs to be said, and all that's left is to see you act appropriately and act with respect toward saidit and the users on saidit. I've given you so much leeway but I don't have infinite tolerance for this type of behavior. The way you act sometimes causes far more problems than it solves, and I think you know that.

Now that that's clear, goodbye. No more discussion is needed.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

" You need to stop attacking other users. "

How about you stop them attacking me and other users? I never attack. I react, and positively with creativity. Go through my history and you'll find that to be accurate.

"_ You need to stop anything that even remotely resembles trolling._ "

You really need to clarify what that actually entails. This vague term with and even vaguer "remotely" added on top could mean virtually anything and be interpreted in any way you see fit - just like the vague nonsense terms of YouTube, etc. I'm not asking for more rules but you could start a list of prime examples and go from there. Yet you won't for some reason.

" And you need to stop acting as if you're some sort of admin. "

What does this even mean? HOW? I've never claimed to be any sort of admin, and I don't know "how I'm acting" as such, especially when you refuse to provide clear examples.

" Stop giving me and others advice about saidit when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. "

Why are others permitted, even welcomed, to offer good, bad, and ugly advice (example1, example2) while I am not? Why don't you just decline or ignore my suggestions?

I'm far from perfect like anyone, including you, so we all make mistakes. But I'd hardly say that I "clearly don't know what [I'm] talking about" when I clearly do on many things, including my opinions and experiences.

" And if in doubt, don't say anything. "

Is that a new slogan? "SaidIt: don't say anything." Q: What happened to civil discussion? A: It was sacrificed for intolerant trolls for unspoken reasons and I'd tell you about it but I can't say anything.

" This is what I'm asking of you. Not going to state it again. Act right. "

I want to abide, and I will continue to try, but you have not explained how I'm acting "wrong" or even remotely come close to any definition, for myself and for others. Thus the chaos continues, with or hopefully without me.

" You have 2 strikes. We are not revisiting this discussion again, I've said what needs to be said, and all that's left is to see you act appropriately and act with respect toward saidit and the users on saidit. I've given you so much leeway but I don't have infinite tolerance for this type of behavior. "

So you've said, though without sufficient clarity. It's your site, that is clear, and of course it's your prerogative. We may not revisit this discussion but it's far from resolved until I clearly understand you.

IMO, I've been respectful and challenge anyone to (waste their time trying to) find me this so-called abundance of examples where I haven't been.

" The way you act sometimes causes far more problems than it solves, and I think you know that. "

You may think that but it doesn't make it true. I've reached out to others to seek wider perspectives. Most who care don't see the problem and one said I was [unintentionally] swatting a hornets nest [when I was trying to help fix SaidIt].

" Now that that's clear, goodbye. No more discussion is needed. "

It remains far from clear and far from resolved, though I suppose we can agree that we disagree and no further discussion on that is warranted. Nonetheless, I remain open and welcome further discussion and clarity if you were to take the time to think about it, consult friends, or whatever to develop more concrete ideas for me and SaidIt to consider, about my activity or the greater Saidit policies and maybe some examples.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why are others permitted, even welcomed, to offer good, bad, and ugly advice (example) while I am not? Why don't you just decline or ignore my suggestions?

I do apologize about my ugly advice. I thought it was a brainstorming session- my bad. Tried to help but did damage instead. Feel free to ban me if I'm too much of a nuisance. I think saidit is fine and not trying to mess it up.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No need to apologize at all!

In my opinion brainstorming is terrific and valuable towards progress, even bad/ugly ideas help because they may be a temporary marker on a previously undeclared issue, important, critical, or just mild, that needs an even better idea and can sometimes be built upon, and/or with a tweak and a twist, turned into a great idea.

Your example just happened to be fresh in mind and easy to find, as well as a couple others I was too lazy to dig back up. Better still was that you had so many, not all good or bad or ugly - a very nice variety. Not just ugly. Far from it.

Like you, I'm not trying to mess it up either. I don't know what his problem with me is and he doesn't want to explain.

M7 is driving this big old bus and all us kids are going, "Arewethereyet? Arewethereyet? Arewethereyet? Arewethereyet? Arewethereyet?" Or maybe better, we're all going, "How about here? Have you been there? What about over there? And back there!" And he's still free to steer as he sees fit. Yet for some reason was isolating me out, insisting I not say anything on a public forum called "SaidIt", not-ironically.

I hold nothing against you, regardless what transpires, and I hope you don't mind that I used your comment as a handy example that had nothing to do with the quality nor content of your ideas. I can remove the reference link if you prefer. It was about him singling me out without clear explanation.

IMO, brainstorming is a valuable resource not all professions have the luxury of. I've worked as an animator, art director, and director on countless TV commercials, music videos, projects, and even an Oscar winning movie. It's not easy being an animation director, and harder IMO to be a live-action director under compressed time limits. The best manage to balance all the variables among strengths and weaknesses, absorb feedback, delegate tasks, define a clear vision, while maintaining a diverse team spirit to produce something amazing. I can only guess that running a forum is akin to that on some levels and even more intense on others.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Like you, I'm not trying to mess it up either. I don't know what his problem with me is and he doesn't want to explain.

I might be able to help you with that! You are basically clueless on this stuff and can't seem to wrap your head around some basic aspects of reality in a business environment. Also this won't be a discussion since I'm out after this comment, but I recommend you to take seriously what I am about to say for protection.

Basically, social media is sketchy and its only getting sketchier! It isn't "democracy" as you would like for it to be or envision it to be. Those days are gone. Many factors, actors, behaviors and intentions compile and compete in this virtual space, so things can get pretty darn "political" inside and out. Its like a whose who of a murder crime mystery in a fantasy mansion due to a fog of war in-between most users, and the topics discussed are also extremely cloak and dagger on top of it! So the environment is fairly tense, and everyone can be suspect. Its consternation.

That being said, as an admin. The job is to protect the organization (website) and ward off threats, something that you are not helping with by being so casual about everything on a "public" political forum. You are making yourself a target, inciting needless drama and being generally immature like you are lost. Completely immature in your excessive verbiage about stuff too. You should keep things cut and clear- as oppose to idealistic and immature. Nobody cares about your innermost thoughts on everything. Take a look around. Be an Adult!

But the reason I stuck around on this site is because the site is a cut above the "rest". No down-vote button, instead it is replaced with a "Fun" button. No racist take-overs and calls for violence etc. Its a decent place and I'm sure, the admin wants to protect it as I hope they do! You on the other hand, with your little drama inciting, democracy encouraging, immaturely professing and casually confessing bullshit are creating more headaches for people and you should really stop participating more and take a step back away from this place.

You are gas-lighting and enjoying this political environment or something as a form of "free-expression". It really isn't that. Its private virtual space with rules for conduct. My intention with throwing in those 2 cents earlier was to reinforce that notion and have reminders for the rules around but I'll leave it only with that because its not my site.

I wish the admins the best though, they have a difficult job to handle and you shouldn't be making things harder by failing to listen or support them; which thou art with your immaturity and bullshit professorship. Maybe you are a plant or something to sabotage this place? Who knows?

Anyway, Protip: democracies are about to die. Stand by your leaders if you believe in them.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for offering me a hand. No thank you for slapping me in the face with the other as you do so.

Maybe you think you're helping, but that's not the spirit of your response. Worse, you make a lot of blanket assumptions and statements that aren't entirely accurate. Granted, there are actually a lot of helpful cues too - possibly more than I've gotten from anyone else.

If you wish I can break it down for you, as clearly as I can as I see it, but later, after things have cooled down a while. There is value here, buried behind the backhand.