The problem that is /s/ice_poseidon2

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[–]steaknpotatoes 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I have nothing against free speech.

Highly doubt that since your whole post is dog whistling for unnecessary censorship because a degenerate like Ice Poseidon is being criticized, held to account, and given the same treatment he gave to others.

By trying to deplatform someone, you are the one against free speech.

Nope, it's just giving him some of the same treatment he allowed/gave to others.

You are delusional if you think that if someone is a public figure they are allowed to be harassed.

There's a high bar for "harassment" when it comes to public figures. It's amazing you take this line of defense for an asshole that built his career off of harassing regular folks going about their lives. I still remember when he had a hidden camera and made some poor Mexican guys get down on their knees and bark like dogs unbeknownst to them that they were being livestreamed, humiliated and laughed at by thousands of people watching, which was also illegal to stream others secretly like that in California from inside a private residence.

-Criticism isn't creating sockpuppet accounts pretending to be his fans and saying racist things to Mixer executives.

Really don't know what this one is about, but I think if this did happen most people on IP2 wouldn't support it. You can't just cherry pick 1 act and act like the whole community supports that or that this is what we refer to when we say criticism.

-Criticism isn't telling your users to DM a racism compilation from over 2 years ago to every person he follows on twitter.

I disagree that's valid, he shouldn't have done those actions if he can't live with the consequences of such.

-Criticism isn't threatening Mixer streamers that if they go to his event then they will lose their partner status.

That's more of a fair warning, they probably don't know what a degenerate sociopath Ice Poseidon is and what the consequences of associating with him can do to their future. Many people have suffered from associating with him, he's got an earned bad reputation all throughout the livestreaming world. Twitch streamers started referring to him as the "black plague" for how he corrupts and ruins the things he touches.

-Criticism isn't pretending to be offended by things he did in the past when you do the same things every day on your sub.

Vague, simplistic, and wrong. Ice Poseidon has done many bad things that the vast majority on IP2 don't support or do. You're trying to compare 1 person to a community of hundreds where you want to cherry pick a few incidents and act like that represents the whole. Sorry but smarter people see through that.

Because you may find a few things that may be bad acts does not invalidate all the legitimate criticism of an abusive sociopath like Paul Denino. Hope you at least get paid to defend such a degenerate.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Highly doubt that since your whole post is dog whistling for unnecessary censorship because a degenerate like Ice Poseidon is being criticized, held to account, and given the same treatment he gave to others.

I never ask for censorship and explicitly state that in my conclusion, that more moderation is needed instead.

Nope, it's just giving him some of the same treatment he allowed/gave to others.

He never deplatformed anyone. If you say Brandon then you have proof other than conspiracy theories.

There's a high bar for "harassment" when it comes to public figures. It's amazing you take this line of defense for an asshole that built his career off of harassing regular folks going about their lives. I still remember when he had a hidden camera and made some poor Mexican guys get down on their knees and bark like dogs unbeknownst to them that they were being livestreamed, humiliated and laughed at by thousands of people watching, which was also illegal to stream others secretly like that in California from inside a private residence.

Those people were well aware that they were being filmed, and did all that willingly. They were also paid hundreds of dollars for the whole thing that lasted less than an hour.

Really don't know what this one is about, but I think if this did happen most people on IP2 wouldn't support it. You can't just cherry pick 1 act and act like the whole community supports that or that this is what we refer to when we say criticism.

Read my original post, it's in there. The mods still allow it to happen which says enough.

I disagree that's valid, he shouldn't have done those actions if he can't live with the consequences of such.

So how many years are you going to continue this? If he's making efforts to reform himself why stop him?

That's more of a fair warning, they probably don't know what a degenerate sociopath Ice Poseidon is and what the consequences of associating with him can do to their future. Many people have suffered from associating with him, he's got an earned bad reputation all throughout the livestreaming world. Twitch streamers started referring to him as the "black plague" for how he corrupts and ruins the things he touches.

Threatening that someone will lose their career for associating with him is not a fair warning. Obviously not done with good intentions for the person.

Vague, simplistic, and wrong. Ice Poseidon has done many bad things that the vast majority on IP2 don't support or do. You're trying to compare 1 person to a community of hundreds where you want to cherry pick a few incidents and act like that represents the whole. Sorry but smarter people see through that.

Because you may find a few things that may be bad acts does not invalidate all the legitimate criticism of an abusive sociopath like Paul Denino. Hope you at least get paid to defend such a degenerate.

I could spend all day going through the last 3 months of your sub and find countless offenses. You will just continue to move the goalposts.

The fact is your community continues to make the same racist jokes and support the same degeneracy with other streamers day to day. You are simply racists masquerading as SJWs.

[–]steaknpotatoes 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I never ask for censorship and explicitly state that in my conclusion, that more moderation is needed instead.

And by moderation you mean censorship, but the rest of your post was also dogwhistling towards unnecessary censorship.

He never deplatformed anyone. If you say Brandon then you have proof other than conspiracy theories.

He allowed his subreddit and discord to do mass reporting deplatforming pushes for years, he even said he reports people. Yes I do strongly think him SSJ, TrustedFlagger were involved in getting Brandon banned. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

Those people were well aware that they were being filmed, and did all that willingly. They were also paid hundreds of dollars for the whole thing that lasted less than an hour.

Wrong the camera was hidden at least at one point, and also did the same to that maid girl escort. He filmed harassed and exploited so many people without their consent for years, you're a complete degenerate trying to defend that. How many businesses did he harass with his army of followers.

Read my original post, it's in there. The mods still allow it to happen which says enough.

Well I think that kind of trolling is taking it too far, probably falls under free speech though.

So how many years are you going to continue this? If he's making efforts to reform himself why stop him?

As long as it takes for him to be held accountable, and you'd have to be a complete idiot to think he genuinely wants to reform. He's a weasel and still a complete degenerate.

Threatening that someone will lose their career PNG for associating with him is not a fair warning. Obviously not done with good intentions for the person.

There's not threat in there, quit lying. That comment is completely right and any streamer that associates with such a dirtbag will be tainted, fair warning.

I could spend all day going through the last 3 months of your sub and find countless offenses. You will just continue to move the goalposts.

Oh wow you mean you can find some things on a sub that thousands of people visit, post and comment on? Wow I'm shocked, have fun picking those cherries.

The fact is your community continues to make the same racist jokes and support the same degeneracy with other streamers day to day. You are simply racists masquerading as SJWs.

Irrelevant even if it was generally true, but those streamers you refer too also get criticized and hated. None of those other streamers had the position, rewards and loyalty, then spit in their face.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And by moderation you mean censorship, but the rest of your post was also dogwhistling towards unnecessary censorship.

Moderation is not censorship, I know your community has a hard time believing that but someone has to be able to draw the line

He allowed his subreddit and discord to do mass reporting deplatforming pushes for years, he even said he reports people. Yes I do strongly think him SSJ, TrustedFlagger were involved in getting Brandon banned. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

Brandon committed actual crimes on his streams. He did drugs, assaulted people and filmed himself stealing from stores. Anyone would get banned for that.

Wrong the camera was hidden at least at one point, and also did the same to that maid girl escort. He filmed harassed and exploited so many people without their consent for years, you're a complete degenerate trying to defend that. How many businesses did he harass with his army of followers.

He literally picked them up with a camera in his hand and told them what was going on. The escort girl was a hidden camera, I won't deny that one. Just because I point out your inaccuracies doesn't mean I defend his actions, I just want you to be truthful.

Well I think that kind of trolling is taking it too far, probably falls under free speech though.

Sending threats does not fall under free speech

Irrelevant even generally true. None of those other streamers had the position, rewards and loyalty, then spit in their face.

It's completely relevant because you put on some holier than thou act as if your community is the beacon of justice. You are hypocrites

[–]steaknpotatoes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Moderation is not censorship, I know your community has a hard time believing that but someone has to be able to draw the line

It is but not all censorship is bad, but you're dogwhistling for unnecessary censorship which is bad.

Brandon committed actual crimes on his streams. He did drugs, assaulted people and filmed himself stealing from stores. Anyone would get banned for that.

Bullshit, what he supposedly got banned for was weak compared to what I've seen on Ice Poseidon and others streams on Youtube. They didn't just ban him they BANNED him. Others were allowed to make alts and stream but Brandon was wiped out quick whenever he made an alt. It was pretty obvious Ice, SSJ, and Trusted Flagger were in on it.

He literally picked them up with a camera in his hand and told them what was going on. The escort girl was a hidden camera, I won't deny that one. Just because I point out your inaccuracies doesn't mean I defend his actions, I just want you to be truthful.

Ok my memory might not be correct on the Mexican one and if so I apologize, I'd need to see the footage again but even so that humiliation of having them get down on all fours and bark like dogs was fucking disgusting.

Sending threats does not fall under free speech

Wasn't a threat

It's completely relevant because you put on some holier than thou act as if your community is the beacon of justice. You are hypocrites

I mean it's not hard to be holier than Ice Piss and other degenerate streamers, but I don't think people in general see the community as some beacon of justice. It's just one of the few places you can criticize streamers without heavy-handed censorship. Most of it is in good fun and memes. Of course in a community of thousands you'll find some hypocrisy, almost everyone displays some hypocrisy at some point or another. Still irrelevant to whether Ice Poseidon can be criticized or exposed. You do know what the Tu quoque fallacy is right?

[–]BoogerFukker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"He allowed his subreddit and discord to do mass reporting deplatforming pushes for years, he even said he reports people. Yes I do strongly think him SSJ, TrustedFlagger were involved in getting Brandon banned. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

Brandon committed actual crimes on his streams. He did drugs, assaulted people and filmed himself stealing from stores. Anyone would get banned for that."

Oh so its okay to try and de-platform brandon cuz he committed actual crimes on stream, well if thats the standard we are going with ill just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_Qhly0ou0&t=2s