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[–]FormosaOolong 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (45 children)

Well by poking the bear like this, you're kind of putting yourself in the crosshairs, no? If you don't like their content/style, there is a handy "mute sub" button, which hides it from your "all" or "new".

Other things you can do is refrain from engaging with their comments on other subs, report them if they really don't adhere to the PoD, or simply use your innate power to not need others to be a certain way and move along, modeling respectful relating in your own way.

Magnora7 and d3rr do not turn a blind eye, they are exceedingly generous in their desire to keep this site as open as possible. People are given quite a lot of chances and suggestions before they are banned, as it should be, imo. No matter what they do, they get criticized--yet they are doing a stellar job balancing freedom of expression with the limitations of international law and the site's stated guidelines.

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (44 children)

They are breaking several of site-wide rules. Unchecking form /s/All and hiding in a sub doesn't exempt anyone. Spilling their shit onto other subs is beyond the limits IMO.

Reports only go to mods, not admins, and if the mod is the offensive author then...

I agree M7D3 are doing a great job on many many levels. And they will be fairly and unfairly criticized. No one made them take on this epic venture. It's also our job as a community to help them. I think this is a fantastic post, to help the admins, to help the community, and to help SaidIt become better and maybe clearer.

[–]magnora7 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

Reports only go to mods, not admins

This is the stuff I'm talking about, Jason. Reports go to both mods and admins. Why are you telling people otherwise when you don't know? You seem to lie with authority like that an awful lot. Please stop. If you don't know, then don't say anything.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I apologize /u/FormosaOolong for misleading you. I stand corrected.

How come you didn't respond to any of my reports? My conclusion was you weren't getting them. And as mod of some subs I've seen a few reports on my own posts going back to me. So to be fully accurate, I was half correct and half wrong, apparently.

I'm NOT a FUCKING LIAR. And you know that, and you say that far too often about many people.

"An awful lot" - like when else?

YOU, magnora7 were full of lies that explosive day, /s/HolocaustSkepticism. I'm still not going to call you a liar.

If I don't know, then I don't know that I don't know. So saying nothing is not an option, especially when I'm trying to help people.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

How come you didn't respond to any of my reports?

Not every report deserves a response.

I'm NOT a FUCKING LIAR.

Well, you lied before just then, and are now pretending it didn't happen.

And you know that, and you say that far too often about many people.

I actually very very rarely call anyone a liar, I honestly can't think of the last time I did it. So there again you made up a lie to smear me!

Saying nothing is actually a much better and more helpful option than making up lies.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I actually very very rarely call anyone a liar, I honestly can't think of the last time I did it. So there again you made up a lie to smear me!

Last week I said my posts were in good faith. You said that it was in bad faith. While you didn't explicitly call me a liar, you said that what I said wasn't true.

You have no right to define what's going on inside my head, only how you interpret them. And that's why I'm upset.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I DID NOT LIE! I accidentally misinformed INACCURATELY, as in not completely false. Further, there's a profound distinction of maliciousness vs ignorance.

You casually called Snow a liar not too long ago. I don't know all the expanded details but in that case there was no evidence of lying. It's not the first time.

Still, I won't call you a liar, but I don't make up lies either. You are profoundly inaccurate in trying to paint me with that brush. EVERYONE CAN READ IT. You're not helping yourself and you're not leading well by stooping to this level.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

"I did not lie" , he lied.

the distinction between maliciousness and ignorance is undetectable in your words, since all you write is ignorant, and your intentions are malicious. You are only here to cause trouble, get banned and then cry to whoever gives a fuck about how big a victim you are, whilst pretending to some kind of intellectual sophistication.

If you were a dog, you'd have been put down as a puppy.

And you are right, stooping to your level is not a good look.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How do you claim to know me so well when clearly I do not?

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah we're done arguing. You behave and follow the rules, or you're gone. Simple as that.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have followed the rules.

[–]bald-janitor 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Just go away like snow

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good idea! Why do you try it out first?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I have sent reports for clear violations of the pyramid, harassment and illegal activites per Swiss law but nothing happens. You are not alone friend.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he's not going to stop until he's banned from the site so he can post a woe is me tale somewhere else. Snow 2.0

[–]FormosaOolong 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

Reports only go to mods, not admins, and if the mod is the offensive author then...

I didn't know that, that makes a big difference. Edit: accidental misinfo

My post wasn't to criticize OP, I've just noticed that poking the bear usually makes one a target for abuse in return, and in addition to official channels, one can at least limit one's interaction with unwanted content.

[–]magnora7 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

Reports only go to mods, not admins, and if the mod is the offensive author then...

I didn't know that, that makes a big difference.

Because it's false. Jason is making up crap and then speaking with authority for basically no reason. Reports go to both mods and admins.

[–]FormosaOolong 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Good to know, that's what I had presumed before today. I think Jason genuinely misunderstood and was not trying to spread falsehoods.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

I know, but he "genuinely misunderstands" so frequently and then speaks with authority that it's constantly creating administrative messes and misunderstandings that I have to clean up, and it's exhausting. Months and months of this.

Even if it is unintentional, it has caused me an awful lot of headaches over the last few months. It's the long-term pattern of doing this that makes me frustrated, not just this one instance.

[–]forever 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

it's constantly creating administrative messes and misunderstandings that I have to clean up, and it's exhausting.

Imagine if information about where report go was available, imagine if there were proper rules, imagine if you'd evenly apply them based on observed evidence instead of feels?

Months and months of this.

I tried for almost a year to influence this site in a positive direction. Now I'm going to spend a year to try to force this site in a positive direction.

This is for everybody else that will join the site after hearing you announcing it as "how reddit used to be". Reddit never was like this, and the people, which this site is 98% dependent on deserve the truth upfront or a willingness to compromise from the site admins.

it has caused me an awful lot of headaches over the last few months.

"headaches" in the metaphorical sense, a feeling of being tricked, a frustration due to despotic admins (not when it comes to banning but a lot of other things), a hopelessness for this site, the last regular reddit clone for me.

It's the long-term pattern of doing this that makes me frustrated, not just this one instance.

spend a year

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Your claims are unfounded. I demand extensive examples of these exhausting clean up instances to prove there's a pattern, or a retraction and apology.

Further, these are same unproven claims you made in the summer (in the one and only post in the formerly-locked /s/HolocaustSkepticism where without warning you explosively unleashed a list of many false and exaggerated claims upon me.)

I don't know what this "authority" you go on about now or then. I've NEVER claimed to be an authority on anything (aside from animation and some hobbies), much less on SaidIt. I have my experiences and opinions and I suppose I'm an authority over those, but little else. I try to use "IMO" often to clarify that it's just my opinion, as is the case with most of my statements.

" Months and months of this ", yet you say nothing to me. From the summer explosion until a month ago you did not comment on a single thing I said, even when I was cheerfully chiming in my 2 cents on your posts and comments. Allegedly, " it has caused me an awful lot of headaches over the last few months " - yet I heard nothing about this at all from you.

I still have no idea what I did to rub you the wrong way, other that try to be helpful to SaidIt, and be a dynamic interesting person who contributes to this community, honestly and authentically, warts and all.

[–]bobbobbybob 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

i demand

drama queen

I don't know what this "authority" you go on about now or then.

And you never tell people what the rules are, and how they should be enforced according to you as if it is true.

I still have no idea what I did to rub you the wrong way, other that try to be helpful to SaidIt, and be a dynamic interesting person who contributes to this community, honestly and authentically, warts and all.

or "what was wrong with broadcasting my sexual deviance all over the place and not shut up about it at all"? that's dynamic and interesting and i'm not a drama queen faggot at ALL

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The FAQ and the rules are real, so ya, they are true. And if the 2 admins can't catch all the down-sliding then the community has to step in to help them. Otherwise the options are this: 1) SaidIt slides, 2) they recruit help, a likely burden financially, or 3) take on ads or sell out so they can afford the assistance they need. Seems fair that the community make an effort.

If you hate sexual deviance so much, why do folks like you post all the shit about trannies, cucks, incels, freaks, and deviants? I'd think you'd want to avoid it being waved in your faces. I suspect you love that rage porn.

[–]Chop_Chop 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

If you hate sexual deviance so much, why do folks like you post all the shit about trannies, cucks, incels, freaks, and deviants? I'd think you'd want to avoid it being waved in your faces. I suspect you love that rage porn.

That posters entire reason for existence appears to be to irritate anyone else he/she comes across. The account history is an embarrassment to this website, and the repulsive clown that posts garbage like that. At some point, the Admins will hopefully have had enough. Triple boob invaded my sub and created a post to call me a liar - which was itself a lie- and then bothered magnora endlessly about being banned. A repulsive, ridiculous waste of DNA, that one.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

see, there you go pretending to have authority again.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I still have no idea what I did to rub you the wrong way

Your lack of self awareness won't save you forever. I already told you many times over what the problem is.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

" Your lack of self awareness won't save you forever. "

What does that even mean?

I know what I am to the extent I am able. Yet you won't fill me in on the details of the "lacking" part, as if you even know the full extent what I am ultimately aware of. In large part I chose to be this way, otherwise I would behave differently. If I knew what your grievances were I'd be able to 1) learn about myself, 2) ignore what I already know, or 3) consider/try changing that which offends you, whether I knew about it or not.

I have little to go on other than you seem to vaguely despise my opinions, ideas, and self expression. Perhaps you think some of my constructive ideas about improving SaidIt administration via more open and democratic input are challenges to your leadership and authority. They are not. You still have ultimate veto power and are the decider of what ideas to adopt or not. I'm trying to help you, d3rr, and all of SaidIt.

Is that another threat? How is it saving me now? Is there a ticking clock I'm not aware of? Do I have cancer? Do you have plans for me? More dramatic ambiguity.

" I already told you many times over what the problem is. "

You have complained vaguely many times over, leaving me scratching my head every time. If you had clearly expressed what the problem is, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I want specific details, and not another arbitrary list full of lies and exaggerations. Or I want an apology. At the very least just drop it and save yourself - and SaidIt - from looking worse. You are much much better than this.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

If you had clearly expressed what the problem is, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

This is the last time I will state it.

You need to stop attacking other users. You need to stop anything that even remotely resembles trolling. And you need to stop acting as if you're some sort of admin. Stop giving me and others advice about saidit when you clearly don't know what you're talking about. And if in doubt, don't say anything.

This is what I'm asking of you. Not going to state it again. Act right. You have 2 strikes. We are not revisiting this discussion again, I've said what needs to be said, and all that's left is to see you act appropriately and act with respect toward saidit and the users on saidit. I've given you so much leeway but I don't have infinite tolerance for this type of behavior. The way you act sometimes causes far more problems than it solves, and I think you know that.

Now that that's clear, goodbye. No more discussion is needed.

[–]bobbobbybob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

there's a reason Jason is making up crap. He's a poop slinging shit stirrer, by his own admission.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Generally I don't care about negative comments.

They're there whether you said something complimentary, critical, or not, whether you want them or not.

I try to only respond if compelled to, usually to compliment, contribute, or correct.

[–]cynical_americano 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Spilling their shit onto other subs is beyond the limits IMO.

so because a few, or even a lot of users are doing this you're painting all the sub's users with the same brush? there are users on the sub that even the other users can't stand. who's to say the ones you're complaining about aren't the same ones we'd complain about? if it's individual users causing a problem, deal with those users. I'm not sure what the sub-saidit has to do with them other than being one of the subs they frequent.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be clear, individual who are "spilling their shit onto other subs" is what I meant. I wasn't intending to attack entire subs.

Attacking subs is easy but largely ineffectual. Dealing with individuals is more difficult.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Spilling their shit onto other subs is beyond the limits IMO.

I've seen a problem with the opposite as well. Plenty of extremist right wing or fake news content ends up populating the front page of /all, when it should probably be locked away in a circle-jerk sub of its own. Repeated submissions, repeating comments and same users.

So I'm not sure how to reconcile all this, but maybe some subs should be hidden? It would be doing a favor!

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hiding subs, IMO, is like sweeping problems under the rug.

One of these "problems" is being so popular their sub dominates /s/all.

Another "problem" is when a sub festers content not worthy of Saidit, and remains "hidden" away, out of sight, out of mind.

One problem with extremist or fake content is posting without context. I have posted fake news not to claim that's it's true, but to share and say, "Get a load or what they're saying now." In ambiguous cases I usually try to explain what's noteworthy.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

For all content though:

What is problematic for one, might be a solution for another. What is unworthy to one saidditor, may be worthy to another.

What should be avoided is privatizing the s/all for a few people. It is where voat messed up at-least.

I mean I don't want to call anyone out and give isolated examples of bad content on s/all by the dozens, but if there are pitfalls in moderation; it might be better to hide or force extreme content to a sub and sweep it under or something until it can be better figured out down the road? Iono.

The site is fine as it is, there is nothing wrong with it. I'm just trying to help out even though its not my job and I'm giving out a worthless opinion lol.

Also there should be a fight to the death for all subs! Like literally... so we can see who is truly the better sub.

j/k

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is problematic for one, might be a solution for another. What is unworthy to one saidditor, may be worthy to another.

Indeed, well stated. An open democratic constructive discussion could consider these ideas and more.

What should be avoided is privatizing the s/all for a few people. It is where voat messed up at-least.

Can you explain further? I don't understand nor know about the Voat scenario.

I'm just trying to help out even though its not my job and I'm giving out a worthless opinion lol.

LOL. IMO, we all need to help the 2 admins maintain this site-wide community. They have a monster burden already and barely cover expenses.

If you weren't [deleted] I would offer you all my subs so that I could just watch the fight to the death. Is the battle over how you define "better sub"?

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

fuck off

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you stalking me? Maybe you have a crush on me?