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[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (40 children)

Good post.

It might also be worth describing from their point of view why they view Ice Poseidon as a problem, if only for fairness and context.

The PNGs are great, though far too wide (consider vertical screens and aim for square). Would be better with the permalink too, in order to see the wider context.

Clearly this is "shit disturbing" drama, but IMO needs to happen. I for one was not aware of this, and so much more I assume, on SaidIt.

Thanks for being someone making an effort on SaidIt.

[–]realister 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

Ice Poseidon is a racist and white supremacist who built his career on racist edgy humor. Now he decided to become an SJW and refuses to acknowledge his past. We just document his racism we do not promote it.

We have all the clips on our sub.

[–]FormosaOolong 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'm actually glad to have the opportunity to learn all this about IP2. I muted due to not preferring the general atmosphere, but it's interesting to learn all this, and I'm also impressed that it was your choice to mute from "all" so as to not dominate it. That was top-drawer of y'all!

[–]realister 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes we figured inside jokes and memes would just confuse people

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Real.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

I know nothing, so my questions are legit, not meant to troll.

Is is possible that he's not SJW, but simply reformed?

If he has changed his ways, why would he want to dwell in such an awkward past?

If he has gone from one extreme to the other, why is he (or anyone) worthy of being harassed? In brief, what harm is he now doing?

Do you use the wiki? /s/ice_poseidon2/wiki You could document all your stuff there, including a FAQ, etc. Might save you time with an easy to point to explanation for stuff. (It's basically just like a shared comment/post document.)

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

  1. No, he DDOS's this site regularly.

  2. He hasn't changed his ways, he's looking for a platform to continue streaming on because every other one has banned him for being racist or doing disturbing shit on stream.

  3. No one is harassing him. People are just watching him be a moron. His facade still slips every now and again on his current platform and he still says and does disturbing shit.

The dude has flirted, met up with and asked for phone numbers from minors. He's done plenty of racist shit. And because his community, "cX", was large at one point, streamers would flock to him trying to cross-pollinate audiences. Ice Poseidon literally had a "sexual initiation" ritual to become part of his "crew":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZe0eIQnNo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnUimdRa640

So no one is harassing or harming him. People are just documenting the shit he does, so people are aware of what type of person he actually is and don't donate their money to him (and keep their kids away).

[–]ScamCast 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Real...

The subreddit is a reflection of the streamers. If the streamers are out doing toxic stuff, it's gonna show on the subreddit when people are talking about it.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

He has that big a sway? Shame I guess.

IMO a wiki page would help your cause, whether it's on SaidIt, InfoGalactic, or Wikipedia. Lay it all out. When critics call point to the record.

I take it then that you either have asstrolls and/or infiltrator asstrolls that are mucking up the reputation of an entire sub. To be clear I'm not in favour of wiping out a sub for a few bad apples. Also, I'd like all the bad apples gone from SaidIt. That's why I like this post.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Jason, first of all I gotta say you are the most methodic writer I have witnessed in action. Second of all, you are wasting your time and energy entirely on the likes of Ice Piss. If you really knew what kind of a degenerate, and I really mean the lowest of the scumbags you're trying to stick up for here, you'd simply delete this OP and HorrorShow acct and go back to editing your Wikipedia entries.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

Methodic? I'm just responding to replies. Yes, I guess I have spent the last couple days doing this instead of my real writing/editing. I guess it's interesting.

I'm not HorrorShow. I like the post despite it's omissions. I'm also learning about IP2, the person, the sub, and their goals. I take no sides.

I'm also for keeping SaidIt civil, from being in favour of axing the trolls in IP2, or ignoring your "go back to" comment which doesn't help your case.

[–]Tobi69 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The ice yes man/discord trolls are doing this everyday on our sub. Brigading just before events and even if there are no events. We deal with it daily.

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You know what I mean, you're very meticulous and structured. This is why your work is easy to spot...But, you'd need more than a 'few days' to spend on this POS faggot, to really get why we want him shut down by all means.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you think I'm meticulous and structured. I do try to make an effort. I wish I were more-so. Our admin seem to think I'm sloppy.

I expect you're correct. Heavy topics don't come easily. However, "by all means" is not acceptable. Some means need to be off the table.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm also for keeping SaidIt civil,

Tough luck, sweaty. None of the rest of us give a flying FUCK what you want.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sweaty or sweety? I can't tell if it's a Freudian slip or if you're flirting with me.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

tranny confirmed

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[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So it's virtue signalling troll army vs indistinguishable alt-right troll army?

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There is no "vs".

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lolcow

There are farmers, there are lolcows, the lolcows milk themselves (they don't need any outside help), the farmers sit back, document, watch and drink the milk. They don't touch the cows.

IP2 is not Ice Poseidon's fan-base, hence the 2 in IP2, we split-off from it due to his degeneracy.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

ohh, I thought you guys were an indistinguishable alt-right troll army. Operating in the shadows relaying information to central headquarters.

Ok, nevermind then :) Continue on...

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it is sane humans vs a drama queen retard faggot.,

[–]HorrorShow[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

  1. Post evidence of your DDOS claim
  2. The only platform he's been banned on is Twitch and that was 3 years ago.
  3. You can say you're not harassing him but it's clear in my evidence you are

[–]realister 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He is not really reformed, just yesterday he kept telling a black homeless person to buy bananas and was laughing in at the camera behind his back while chat kept posting monkey emojis.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's not cool. He's not responsible for what his chat posts, but is responsible for calling them on it (though I don't know why he would behaving like that), so that's not cool either.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

You hit the nail on the head there. Ice Poseidon wants to move on with his life and reform his brand but there is people in IP2 who have an unhealthy obsession with him and his past. They would rather see him crash and burn instead of allowing him to reform.

[–]Jammin 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No one has any obligation to allow him to reform, he shouldn't be allowed to snap his fingers like Thanos and make his past disappear. Someone has to hold him to account, and they have every right to do so whether it be here on Saidit or anywhere else.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Looks like everyone was right. Tell Paul /u/Enza said hi!

[–]BoogerFukker 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Remember after he supposedly reformed when he did a bunch of hit and runs on camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_Qhly0ou0 he hasnt changed one bit, he just saw his fan base turn on him and tried to pretend to be an SJW in hope that Twitch would unban him for swatting himself on an airplane, that he himself still has a video up to this day allowing him to get views encouraging further attempts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZHQoRfFTmM

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Many have said he hasn't reformed. And they've got a good point that caution should still apply and people should be warned regarding public figures. Reform needs to be earned and proven over time. Also, he "earned" his sorted past that he will have to carry the rest of his life. A reformed murderer is still a murderer. We all have our sins to deal with, and denying them helps no one.

They're also saying his followers are a DDoS problem. That's never cool (unless it's aimed at the corporatocracy).

As for the asstrolls in the sub, IMO axe them after their fair warnings.

As for their sub, IMO they seem okay.

As for this post, IMO it's a nice informative summary (with some gaps), and I think our community could use more like it. (Only when appropriate, not every day, or witch hunting, etc.)

[–]ScamCast 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're also saying his followers are a DDoS problem. That's never cool (unless it's aimed at the corporatocracy).

There's no solid proof, but he has a few sketchy developers working on his side. On our old subreddit on Reddit, there was a leaked video of his developers\mods who were doxing the IP2 mods. The video was leaked by someone those devs were talking to.

His devs are pretty shady so that's why it's mostly speculated that Ice has them do his dirty work.

[–]HorrorShow[S] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Keep in mind that they have their own agenda (trying to ruin his life) when it comes to things that they consider to be not reformed.

For example, yesterday he did a stream with a homeless black man where he took him to a convenience store to buy him some food and drink. At one point he tells the man to grab a banana and a cookie so that he can give the guy $20 in change. IP2 spun this interaction into a narrative that he was being racist by offering him a banana since he was black. This is how they operate, they try to make a new narrative out of anything that can be taken out of context.

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Keep in mind that they have their own agenda

And what's your agenda? Defending this guy, free of charge? You're his personal knight, securing a guy's bank account who sexually assaults people?

[–]HorrorShow[S] 4 insightful - 12 fun4 insightful - 11 fun5 insightful - 12 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks for the feedback. I went back through and added links to all my examples so you can get the context.

The point of view was kind of already answered by one of their mods but I'll expand on it.

Ice Poseidon has been a live streamer for about 4 years now, he gained fame by having an edgy community on Twitch until he was ultimately banned for not controlling the racist donations on his stream and being swatted. He then moved to Youtube where he indulged in degenerate content such as using homeless people for his stream, allowing more racist donations to play, and pushing the bar on how edgy he could make his stream.

His community grew so toxic from being unchecked for so long that he could no longer control it. They started attacking everyone around him and it was becoming a huge problem. He closed his reddit because he couldn't deal with it anymore and this caused a huge backlash. This is where the majority of IP2 came from, they are disgruntled fans of his.

So now he had what was left of his community and an opposing faction to deal with (IP2). He decided that he didn't want to do degenerate content anymore because it lead him to that awful point. So he set out to rebrand himself, clean up his act and try something new. He started streaming on Mixer and more importantly he followed a strict set of rules enforced by Mixer.

IP2 was eventually banned off reddit since they continued to harass him and other streamers and arrived here. By that point Ice had a new following on Mixer and stopped talking about IP2 all together. However, IP2 had a deep grudge and couldn't stand seeing him try to reform himself. So they once again went after everyone around him by sending them compilations of things he did years ago. They also went around any place that had mention of him and pushed a false narrative that he was a pedophile or that he ran a ponzi scheme. Ice Poseidon was investigated by the FBI already at this point and cleared. There has also never been any criminal charges brought against him other than sneaking into a convention in a trojan horse/llama. So it was all baseless accusations.

So we are here now, where once again they are trying to harass everyone around Ice Poseidon because he has a big event coming up and they want to do anything they can to stop him from continuing his progress in reforming his brand.

[–]bussarin555 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Allowing more racist donations to play

You're really downplaying his content.

His community grew so toxic from being unchecked for so long that he could no longer control it.

You make it out as if he didn't encourage it. Towards the end of his YouTube career, he was still doing things to promote this sort of behavior. For example, comparing black people to literal "shit" to be flushed down a toilet. This was only a few months back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1_y9JK0ADU

[–]HorrorShow[S] 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

I think you need to check your calendar buddy, that video is a year old now.

[–]bussarin555 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think you need to learn the basics of communication. A few months can constitute any number of months. "How many bacterial cells did you observe today?" "Not as much as yesterday, but still quite a few!" Plus, that video is 10 months old and a few days old, totally within the standard usage. That was just an example, clearly in contrary to "allowing more racist donations to play".