Snow goes public with accusations against Saidit, starts a wordpress.com blog

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[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Eh, I doubt it. China doesn't really care what anyone says in English. Their crap is entirely directed inwards towards their own people. Saidit isn't blocked by the Great Firewall, and if it was any kind of threat it certainly would be.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Hmm... I think you might be under-estimating the forces that don't want freedom on the internet.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Nah. China basically has its own internet. The average Chinese hardly ever uses overseas websites.

Certainly there are those who hate our freedoms and the free exchange of information threatens them. But the Chinese government? Eh. On the lower half of the list.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

The wumaos are on the Chinese internet. If they're posting on Saidit then they're wasting their time.

From your link:

A 2016 Harvard University paper found that in contrast to common assumptions, the 50 Cent Army consists mostly of paid bureaucrats who respond to government directives in times of crisis and flood Chinese social media with pro-government comments. They also rarely engage in direct arguments, and around 80% of the analysed posts involve pro-China cheerleading with inspirational slogans, and 13% involve general praise and suggestions on governmental policies.[10][11]

They simply lack the motivation to accuse some site of pedophilia. It's not in their wheelhouse.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The wumaos are on the Chinese internet.

Nah, they're everywhere. Why wouldn't they be? You think china doesn't care about influencing global opinion? Plus it's a jobs program! Win/win for The Chinese government.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know if you remember from back in the early days of reddit when CPP shills were around to try manipulating opinions. It didn't go well at first because reddit was too diverse or apathetic but eventually, a strategem took hold to shake up the service.

Isn't this place trying to be similar to old reddit before it went down the tubes? The question worth posing is: What threats are posed by unrestricted discussion based protocols on geopolitical and cultural topics? Well, for censor heavy government regimes- the potential and liability of truth leakage is infinite. It would undermine their propaganda based brainwashing through provisions of contrasting information. It would be a haven for people to "escape" and "normalize" once again.

Why wouldn't there be disruptive cells to interrupt this proper flow of uncensored information? Plus Cyber-China isn't even what it was from back in the day. It has mutated and evolved much further.

[–]magnora7 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. Their clunky old methods have improved vastly because they've put a lot of effort in to refining them.

In fact every single place of discussion online that is too pointed or clear, ends up being disrupted by one or many groups, who don't want the discussion to be publicly happening.

Saidit has been DDOS'd dozens of times, and we've had lots of social attacks on the admins as well as attacks trying to destroy or disrupt the culture. Thankfully the pyramid of debate helps us keep things relatively organized, which helps combat these disruption attempts.

I actually made a video detailing this exact propaganda technique once if anyone is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m18fu6eEVi4

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Because they don't speak English? Wumaos are largely CPC members who post in their spare time at work or whatever.

Moreover, as I keep pounding the point, the CPC is overwhelmingly concerned with maintaining its own power in China and doesn't really give a crap about what anyone says in English. I'm just not seeing how trying to take out a small website is some kind of objective for them. They're busy and have their hands full right now with other affairs.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

You basically sound like you know their internal operations and how CPC works for some reason. Kinda suspicious

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because I pay attention? I also have an interest in 20th century Chinese history. Ask me about the warlord period or the Japanese puppet states sometime, they're fascinating.

People simply don't know China. There is a massive language barrier, a massive culture barrier, and the Great Firewall. Thus people's minds just fill in what they don't know with their worst fears. It's a well-known phenomenon.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Actually all those things that you have mentioned here simply reinforces the geopolitical happenstance of the overall situation. That indeed you can't trust your enemy to play nice and that the fog of war is by no means a veil of friendship, perhaps the art of war by Sun Tzu is something you would be familiar with as well?

I can't believe I'm still hearing these pointless defenses about a potential enemy's benevolent intentions from you, either you are them and are on the defensive. Or you wish to debate better, but nobody is that dumb around here to let you get away with convincing anyone that a major geopolitical mover is 'not interested' in meddling. Monoliths spread their influence, its how they become cancerous! If they would concentrate of efficiency and longer term planning towards the future, rather than becoming violent, manipulative or boastful, then maybe I would have nicer things to say. But we aren't in that time-line.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps, but they have enough people and cheap labor, they can target basically every semi-popular website. Saidit is 15,298th largest website in the US right now, and one of the larger social media sites. It's hard to imagine China not wanting to influence US culture. And it's not like every person on saidit speaks perfect English...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why wouldn't they improve on their tactics and branch out? This is basic cyber-warfare plus we don't exist in 2010's when China lacked imperial will to build outside its borders or influence other governments.

At this point it is setting up shop all over Africa and expanding its turf by getting damn near close to a super power with added cyber capabilities!

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

OK I'll bite: what do you think China's motivations for posting on Saidit are? I can't wait to hear it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It would be called Standard Operating Procedures.

SOP for short. Look it up further if you like.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. The exact motivations. What is it they will gain, and how does it fit in with their national objectives?